Advice - considering selling inherited SSR - Page 2

Krazy Ed · 01-09-2012, 08:49 PM

Sorry to hear about your dad. Thats 1 nice ssr, i would sure hold onto it if you can.

Krazy Ed

Flassh · 01-09-2012, 09:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dyoung

yes he is,,,"cash is king",,and a very fine fellow....i hope he posts the build sheet soon as the suspense is a bit much for an old island duffer,,,he may be in hibernation as he lives way up north,,,wish ray would wake him up,,doug.

I did wake him up - but this truck was completely off his radar, which is really rare, so he was waiting for a build sheet on it.

Fale is pretty much on top of the pilot trucks, and felt as I did, that it was very unlikely to have been a pilot truck, more likely a dealer repaint.

I'm sure he'll have more to report really soon.

DOOPHUS · 01-09-2012, 09:32 PM

Is it possible that Dr Digit took today off?

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LTs SSR · 01-09-2012, 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by kgwynn

Now I'm excited to see who "Cash" is lol. Seems like he's a well respected member?

We are very lucky to have fabulous member like Cash!! Hotrodgirl is not much on the site anymore due to family issues. (she lives in Sterling Heights) But if you'd like I can contact her for ya & see if she has any good recommendations for you in Detriot.

Cash · 01-09-2012, 10:10 PM

Sorry, I had an unusually busy day. Normally my busy day is being on this site for 7 or 8 hours!

I do not show any record of this VIN ever being posted on this forum so your father never requested a build sheet or made note of the VIN as a member. At this time all I can do is pretty much concur with what has been said by others thus far.
I have viewed a CarFax and there is nothing out of the ordinary. It shows 2 owners but that would be because the lease company would be considered the first owner. The second owner would be your father when he paid out the lease and it was officially transferred to his name, about 3 years ago.
I don't have the ability to run Build Sheets so we will have to wait for Marc to run it, probably tomorrow morning.
Never say never but:
I have accounted for all 62 MY2005 pilots and this was not one of them. To my knowledge there were never any "test" trucks for the TuTone paint process. I think we will find this SSR was built 1.19.2005 (which was smack in the middle of when the 43 Daytona 500's were built). There were no WD1 Pilots anywhere near this VIN, and almost all pilots were built in groups, albeit sometimes small groups. As previously noted there were no factory production TuTones in MY2005. I am very sure this left the lansing Craft Centre as a monotone, likely

and it is quite possible the dealer added the bottom

.
If you know who the delivering dealer was I don't mind calling them to see if I can find out the history.

kgwynn · 01-09-2012, 10:11 PM

I just noticed that the chevy dealer is right on his keychain lol. Maybe the dealer may know more about what the car's paint origins were. I'll try tomorrow. But if Cash doesn't mind doing it, I'd really love that. I don't even know what to ask. Cash seems to know quite a bit about these cars.

But I am positive my dad bought it the way it looks. If it's painted, someone painted it before my dad got it.

(just noticed cash's reply)

The dealer is Les Stanford Dearbon, MI. 313 5656000.

I guess the whole paint thing isn't going to kill me. It would just be nice to know I have a rare car. That might determine how I go from here. I personally have never seen a silver/black in any combination here. I've seen some solid blue, solid yellow and maybe some custom colors now and then. I actually don't see this car too often at all.

I managed to get over my childish fears and drive it to the store. It actually wasn't bad. I felt like a champion when everyone looked my way.

Cash · 01-09-2012, 10:18 PM

Here is an old Les Stanford post.

http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/58328-post1.html

Les Stanford Chevy was very active on the forum promoting lots of SSR's. They had 2 or 3 of the Brickyards as I recall.
I will call the sales manager tomorrow, and hope the same guy is still there. If they did do the paint I imagine he will remember as the SSR and Corvette were a large part of their sales program.

LTs SSR · 01-09-2012, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

I actually don't see this car too often at all.

I managed to get over my childish fears and drive it to the store. It actually wasn't bad. I felt like a champion when everyone looked my way.

Good for you!! I know the feeling... my truck is an 03...8 years I've had it.. & I still get looks, thumbs up, people taking my picture, questions about "what is that?" It is quite a hoot!! Make me smile! It is a special truck... enjoy the moments you have with it!

Cash · 01-09-2012, 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

I just noticed that the chevy dealer is right on his keychain lol. Maybe the dealer may know more about what the car's paint origins were. I'll try tomorrow. But if Cash doesn't mind doing it, I'd really love that. I don't even know what to ask. Cash seems to know quite a bit about these cars.

But I am positive my dad bought it the way it looks. If it's painted, someone painted it before my dad got it.

(just noticed cash's reply)

The dealer is Les Stanford Dearbon, MI. 313 5656000.

I guess the whole paint thing isn't going to kill me. It would just be nice to know I have a rare car. That might determine how I go from here. I personally have never seen a silver/black in any combination here. I've seen some solid blue, solid yellow and maybe some custom colors now and then. I actually don't see this car too often at all.

I managed to get over my childish fears and drive it to the store. It actually wasn't bad. I felt like a champion when everyone looked my way.

If you drive it, you better get used to people looking at you. It is great fun driving something that people appreciate and admire, especially when it a hoot to drive as well. Depending on where you live they can be quite a rarity. However, I don't believe we will find your SSR to be any more rare than a lot of 2005 SSR's but don't let that disappoint you. Just being lucky enough to own one sets you apart from most, as having any SSR is rare.
I believe it was LT that suggested you should talk to the bank about refinancing. You should probably do this regardless of your decision so the payments do not become burdensome, forcing you to make a decision.
I'll let you know what I find out from Les Stanford tomorrow.

ZsSSR · 01-10-2012, 07:17 AM

Thanks to MarcNY for the Build Sheet: http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/1040265-post2414.html

Looks like it was coded Black at build time, and based upon the list of items completed, perhaps the dealer painted the upper part of the truck silver?

Interesting that the crankshaft has been replaced a few times..among other things.
____________________________________

Vehicle Information
VIN: 1GCES14H15B119855
Model: CS15703-2005 CHEVROLET SSR
Service Contract: Yes
Branded Title: No
Warranty Block: No
PDI Status: No
Order Type: 70 - RETAIL - STOCK

Vehicle Build
Model: CS15703-2005 CHEVROLET SSR
Order Number: HSPMZ9
Gross Vehicle Weight: 2,747
Build Date: 01/19/2005

Option Codes
*IVH is not the definitive source of GM Vehicle RPO information and is intended for service reference only. Should there be any questions about the vehicle's original build or RPO information please refer to the original vehicle invoice or window sticker.

14P - CHROME PLATED WHEELS
192 - EBONY
19I - EBONY INTERIOR TRIM
1SB - 1SB PREFERRED EQUIPMENT GROUP CONSISTS OF: MEMORY PACKAGE -SEATS,RADIO,DIC HOMELINK ENGINE COVER INSERT HEATED DRIVER & PASSENGER SEATS ELECTROCHROMIC MIRRORS: INSIDE REARVIEW & LEFT O/S REARVIEW AM/FM STEREO W/IN DASH 6 CD BOSE PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
1SZ - PREFERRED EQUIPMENT SAVINGS
41U - BLACK
6DL - FRONT SPRING
7DL - FRONT SPRING
8KL - SUSPENSION
9KL - SUSPENSION
A31 - POWER WINDOWS
A95 - HIGH BACK RECLINING BUCKET SEATS WITH FLOOR CONSOLE
AAB - MEMORY DRIVER CONVENIENCE PKG
AJ1 - DEEP TINTED GLASS
AJ7 - DR/PASS FRT & SIDE AIRBAGS
AU0 - KEYLESS REMOTE DOOR LOCK
B30 - CARPETING, COLOR-KEYED
B32 - FRONT COLOR-KEYED FLOOR MATS
BCP - ENGINE COVER INSERT
BVE - INTEGRATED RUNNING BOARDS ***DEALER INSTALLED***
C49 - ELECTRIC REAR WINDOW DEFOGGER
CJ3 - CLIMATE CONTROL
DJ2 - ISRVM LT SENSITIVE HOME CONV
DNR - DEALER INSTALLED EQUIPMENT
DR2 - MIRROR O/S LH & RH REMOTE CONT ELECTRIC,HEATED LT SENSITIVE, MANUAL FOLDING, COLOR
E55 - TAILGATE BODY
EB6 - GVW RATING 6,050 LBS ERG - AUXILLARY GAUGE PACKAGE ***DEALER INSTALLED***
EVA - EVAP EMISSION REQUIREMENT
FE9 - 50-STATE EMISSIONS
G80 - LOCKING DIFFERENTIAL-REAR AXLE
GT4 - REAR AXLE - 3.73 RATIO
JF8 - BRAKE VAC POWER, 4 WHL DISC
JJA - PT DRESS SUBASSEMBLY INSTALLED
K34 - ELECTRONIC SPEED CONTROL WITH RESUME FEATURE
KA1 - HEATED FRONT SEATS
KG3 - 145 AMP ALTERNATOR
LS2 - 6.0L ALUMINUM 390HP V8 ENGINE
M10 - TRANSMISSION, 6-SPEED MANUAL (NOT AVAILABLE WITH TRACTION CONTROL SYSTEM)
N40 - POWER STEERING
NT8 - EMISSIONS, FED TIER 2A
OLF - PLANT CODE - LANSING, MI
PD7 - WHEEL, SPARE DELETE
PZ7 - WHEELS, 19X8 FRT, 20X10 RR
QMX - TIRE, ALL MIXED SIZES FRT & RR SLM - STOCK ORDERS
STW - LEATHER WRAPPED STEERING WHEEL
T61 - DAYTIME RUNNING LIGHTS
T96 - FRONT FOG LAMPS
T98 - STAMPING VEHICLE IDENT NUMBER
U68 - DRIVER INFO CENTER DISPLAY
U73 - FIXED MAST ANTENNA
UA6 - THEFT DETERRENT ALARM SYSTEM
UC6 - AM/FM STEREO W/IN-DASH 6 CD
UQA - BOSE PREMIUM SOUND SYSTEM
V73 - STATEMENT OF VEHICLE CERT.-U.S. /CANADA
VXS - COMPLETE VEHICLE LABEL
X88 - CHEVROLET CONVERSION
YC5 - LT DECOR
YD3 - BASE EQUIP FOR SCH GVW PL-FT AX
YD5 - BASE FRONT SPRING
YD6 - BASE REAR SPRING
Z82 - HD TRAILERING EQUIPMENT
ZQ8 - SPORT HANDLING PACKAGE
ZY1 - SOLID PAINT

_______________________________________________

You may want to review this fairly long list below.

Transaction History View Details

Job Card Date Job Card Number Transaction Type Transaction Adjustment Labour Operation Odometer Reading
09/08/2010 6009016 ZSCT----Service Contracts L1197 - Fuel Level Sensor Replacement 65,423 MI
10/19/2009 278155 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction J1200 - Crankshaft Replacement 54,017 MI
10/19/2009 278155 ZSCT----Service Contracts E9070 - Power Steering Fluid Reservoir Replacement 54,017 MI
10/19/2009 278155 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction L2300 - Converter, Oxidation Catalytic - Replace 54,017 MI
10/19/2009 278155 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z7905 - 5-DAY COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 54,017 MI
10/19/2009 278155 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z5001 - VIP FREIGHT/POSTAGE REIMBURESEMENT 54,017 MI
05/27/2009 269497 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction D3088 - Hoses And/Or Lines, Refrigerant - Compressor Suction And Discharge Hose Assembly - Replace 48,640 MI
05/27/2009 269497 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction J1200 - Crankshaft Replacement 48,640 MI
05/27/2009 269497 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z7906 - 6+ DAY COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 48,640 MI
05/27/2009 269497 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z5001 - VIP FREIGHT/POSTAGE REIMBURESEMENT 48,640 MI
04/09/2009 266705 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction K0800 - Disc And/Or Clutch Cover, Clutch - Replace 45,765 MI
03/04/2009 264592 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction E2321 - Bearing And Hub Assembly, Front Wheel - Left - Replace 45,020 MI
04/24/2008 243750 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B9612 - Front Fog Lamp Replacement - Right Side 33,160 MI
04/24/2008 243750 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B9613 - Front Fog Lamp Replacement - Left Side 33,160 MI
04/03/2008 150077 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B1784 - Windshield Wiper Arm Replacement 32,359 MI
03/18/2008 293595 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction N0850 - Front Fog Lamp Bulb Replacement 31,850 MI
09/17/2007 228921 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction J1307 - Piston, Rod And/Or Rings - One Cyl - Both Banks - Replace 25,336 MI
09/17/2007 228921 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z7905 - 5-DAY COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 25,336 MI
09/17/2007 228921 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z5000 - DEALER/RETAILER TRADE(PART OBTAINED LOCALLY) 25,336 MI
08/27/2007 279762 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B9760 - Install Pressure Relief Valve Insulator 24,511 MI
07/27/2007 278134 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction K0100 - Spring, Clutch Pedal Return - Replace 23,492 MI
05/23/2007 274451 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B9612 - Front Fog Lamp Replacement - Right Side 21,028 MI
05/23/2007 274451 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction E7012 - Switch And/Or Control, Steering Wheel Mounted - Replace 21,028 MI
05/23/2007 274451 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B9613 - Front Fog Lamp Replacement - Left Side 21,028 MI
06/26/2006 201340 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction J9991 - Customer Concern Not Duplicated (CCND) - Engine Concern 11,064 MI
06/05/2006 199831 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction J3480 - Pump And/Or Gasket, Coolant - Replace 10,488 MI
06/05/2006 199831 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z7911 - 2-WAY SHUTTLE COURTESY TRANSPORTATION 10,488 MI
05/18/2006 198746 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction C3231 - Front Side Door Inside Handle Bezel Replacement - Left Side 10,034 MI
11/10/2005 184975 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction K9995 - Customer Concern Not Duplicated 5,589 MI
11/10/2005 184975 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction E1104 - Cushion Upper And/Or Shim, Body (Left) - R&R Or Replace 5,589 MI
06/09/2005 175778 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction B7571 - Molding, Windshield Side Pillar Reveal - Left - R&R Or Replace 1,075 MI
05/19/2005 174832 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction N6632 - Vehicle Entertainment Wiring and/or Connector Repair or Replacement 50 MI
05/19/2005 174832 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction Z7200 - CORPORATE PARTS RETURN REIMBURSEMENT 50 MI
05/19/2005 174832 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction N1720 - Fuse Replacement 50 MI
05/06/2005 174152 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction N0120 - Battery Positive Cable Replacement 31 MI
01/28/2005 169722 ZREG----Regular Vehicle Transaction H0161 - Shield, Disc Brake Splash - Front - Left - R&R Or Replace 7 MI
01/26/2005 169589 ZTPT----Transportation Transactions A0347 - Hood Color/Clear Coat 6 MI
01/26/2005 169589 ZTPT----Transportation Transactions A2920 - Tailgate, Complete - Color/Clear Coat 6 MI
01/26/2005 169589 ZTPT----Transportation Transactions A2561 - Pickup Box Color/Clear Coat - Exterior Left Side 6 MI
01/24/2005 169513 ZPDI----Pre-Delivery Inspection Z6998 - PDI - Dealer Installed - Factory Invoiced Options 6 MI
01/24/2005 169513 ZPDI----Pre-Delivery Inspection Z6999 - PDI Related Fluid Adds 6 MI
01/19/2005 A19855 ZPDI----Pre-Delivery Inspection Z7000 - Pre-Delivery Inspection - Base Time 0 MI

Cash · 01-10-2012, 12:31 PM

I spoke with Scott Montgomery @ Les Stanford and he immediately knew which SSR (one of two) I was referring to.
ASC did take 2 new SSR's and made one S/B and the other B/S. I understand ASC installed the wheels also.
It appears this one had hood and tonneau paint issues from day one @ LCC which made it an ideal candidate for the paint procedure.
In summary, this was a black SSR when it left LCC, sent to ASC for the TuTone process and wheel install and then to Les Stanford Chevrolet where it was sold new as a

to Mr Gwynn.
It would still be considered a factory built

SSR but can be stated it was purchased new as a

I am trying to obtain the VIN for the second one.

BlueStreak · 01-10-2012, 12:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

I spoke with Scott Montgomery @ Les Stanford and he immediately knew which SSR (one of two) I was referring to.
ASC did take 2 new SSR's and made one S/B and the other B/S. I understand ASC installed the wheels also.
It appears this one had hood and tonneau paint issues from day one @ LCC which made it an ideal candidate for the paint procedure.
In summary, this was a black SSR when it left LCC, sent to ASC for the TuTone process and wheel install and then to Les Stanford Chevrolet where it was sold new as a

to Mr Gwynn.
It would still be considered a factory built

SSR but can be stated it was purchased new as a

I am trying to obtain the VIN for the second one.

And another secret comes to light through this wonderful site. This information needs to be passed along with the vehicle if it is sold. CASH is still KING (of VIN information, at least).

kgwynn · 01-10-2012, 01:26 PM

That's good to know! Batman like detective skills.

So... is this a good thing? Or it doesn't really change anything?

I guess what I'm asking is, does this make my car unique by being the first silver and black in 2005? Or does it just mean someone painted it.

Either way, I'm glad to know that my family was right that my dad bought it new in that color. They said the only other silver/black went to some executive for Chevy. So it was only two of them.

DOOPHUS · 01-10-2012, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

I spoke with Scott Montgomery @ Les Stanford and he immediately knew which SSR (one of two) I was referring to.
ASC did take 2 new SSR's and made one S/B and the other B/S. I understand ASC installed the wheels also.
It appears this one had hood and tonneau paint issues from day one @ LCC which made it an ideal candidate for the paint procedure.
In summary, this was a black SSR when it left LCC, sent to ASC for the TuTone process and wheel install and then to Les Stanford Chevrolet where it was sold new as a

to Mr Gwynn.
It would still be considered a factory built

SSR but can be stated it was purchased new as a

I am trying to obtain the VIN for the second one.

WAY TO GO, Cash!

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Cash · 01-10-2012, 02:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

That's good to know! Batman like detective skills.

So... is this a good thing? Or it doesn't really change anything?

I guess what I'm asking is, does this make my car unique by being the first silver and black in 2005? Or does it just mean someone painted it.

Either way, I'm glad to know that my family was right that my dad bought it new in that color. They said the only other silver/black went to some executive for Chevy. So it was only two of them.

Actually, it sounds like the only other was the reverse combination, black over silver, so yours was the only silver over black.
However, when it comes to heritage value, GM's official stand is the only TuTones were MY2006's, because they were the only ones that left the factory (Lansing Craft Centre) as Tutones. The 1st

was 1GCES14H66B121361.
Yours is unique, and it was done by ASC, a partner in the SSR program, but it still will not be recognized as #1. It is like the orange MY2005 SSR that Flassh mentioned earlier. It is unique, but officially it is a black SSR that was repainted outside the factory by ASC. It remains to be seen what value the Orange one would have on the market, but it definitely would be more than if it had remained in its' orignal black colour.
As to value, I have no idea if it will be affected by this uniquity, but at 80k miles my opinion is it would be limited. Others may disagree
You have a great truck with some unique heritage. Hopefully you can keep it and enjoy it.

Cash · 01-10-2012, 02:55 PM

By the way, reading through this thread I can't help but notice that quite a number of people have said some very complimentary things about me and I do appreciate it!

kgwynn · 01-11-2012, 01:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

By the way, reading through this thread I can't help but notice that quite a number of people have said some very complimentary things about me and I do appreciate it!

You should feel proud. This was amazing for me personally.

I would have not known what to do without your help. I have yet to find a file with my father's modifications and repairs. You guys did.

I still don't know what he did to modify and enhance the engine tho. I don't think it was on that list of repairs. But I know that he specifically told me that he did some stuff to it.

I'd like to know what ASC is tho. I haven't seen it explained... that or I missed it.

Even if it's not an official factory original, it kinda makes me happy to know my car just maybe the first SSR with Silver over black.

Cash · 01-11-2012, 02:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

You should feel proud. This was amazing for me personally.

I would have not known what to do without your help. I have yet to find a file with my father's modifications and repairs. You guys did.

I still don't know what he did to modify and enhance the engine tho. I don't think it was on that list of repairs. But I know that he specifically told me that he did some stuff to it.

I'd like to know what ASC is tho. I haven't seen it explained... that or I missed it.

Even if it's not an official factory original, it kinda makes me happy to know my car just maybe the first SSR with Silver over black.

ASC Inc was formerly known as the American Sunroof Corp.
The association with GM is documented a bit in the LCC Timeline, but they had a lot to do with the SSR build.

Lansing Craft Centre Timeline

It appears your father had some engine problems as there was a crankshaft replacement twice. It is likely that if modifications were done it would have been at one of the times when it was stripped down.

kgwynn · 01-11-2012, 09:17 AM

You should be working for GM in some capacity. This looks more like a career than a hobby. Great work.

Jgrden · 01-11-2012, 09:21 AM

Beautiful car. Hold onto it for 6 months. Play around with it a little. If you do not fall in love with it, as Linda says, then sell it to me for a reasonable price.

Beach potato · 01-11-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

You should be working for GM in some capacity. This looks more like a career than a hobby. Great work.

Why we are called Fanatics.....

Cash · 01-11-2012, 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kgwynn

You should be working for GM in some capacity. This looks more like a career than a hobby. Great work.

You have no idea!

I wish it was my career though.

kgwynn · 01-11-2012, 09:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jgrden

Beautiful car. Hold onto it for 6 months. Play around with it a little. If you do not fall in love with it, as Linda says, then sell it to me for a reasonable price.

All up to the loan folks. If they are willing to help me, they can extend the rest of his payments and lower them to something affordable for me. My dad made much better money than I.

If push comes to shove, and I come in to some decent money out of the estate, (which is unknown for sure). Then I'll pay it off because it appears to be worth doing after all the great work here.

Marc NY · 01-12-2012, 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

By the way, reading through this thread I can't help but notice that quite a number of people have said some very complimentary things about me and I do appreciate it!

BTW: It is all very true too!

Well maybe not so true about his choice of Avatar pic!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cash

You have no idea!

I wish it was my career though.

Hey Cash; just an FYI .... I am very lucky to have reached 40 years here at GM and I am still going strong there.