I love hearing the discussion. Poor little me...putting GM out of biz if I FORCE a dealer to sell me something he can't sell at a no profit price.
I stayed out of this discussion until now but I have to inform you that GM gets their invoice amount no matter how much you pay for the vehicle, if the dealer sells at a loss, the dealer looses not GM, if the dealer makes money on the sale GM still only gets paid invoice.
Marc mentioned the dealer gets a maximum of 5% profit (on invoice not MSRP) out of that he pays for buildings , property, taxes , insurance , dealer plates , office staff , equip a shop , mechanics , special tools , shop foreman , service managers , service writers , office staff , parts people . parts inventory , sales people , managers , lot people , benifit packages , vehicle (new and used) flooring costs and parts inventory flooring costs , advertising , contribute to the community little league or ??? , plus try to get a return on the investment and risk. Sound like a dealer?, well I am Not , and I apologize to the dealers on the costs of business I have left out !
So POOR LITTLE YOU , if you have never worked to this point in your life or have worked for little profit ( and that is what you are asking the dealership to do ) you are looking at the wrong vehicle. This is not a poor man's vehicle , you will not be happy with it , in saying that I do not want to leave the impression we are all rich on this site but I think most have enough money to purchase and enjoy the SSR and that is what it is all about !!!!!!!!!
Don't take my comments so personally. You sound like you have a dog in this race. All I know is that when I purchased my brand new 05, no pep, with NO miles on it, in 11/27/04, I paid $2,500 under the gms price. My buddy who was a plant manager for GM before he retired several years ago, was nice enough to give me the option of purchasing the truck for gms pricing. But when I buy something for thousands of dollars, I like to shop around. I enjoy it. Maybe it's the male hunting instinct. I did, and came up with a negotiated price of about $2,500 under the gms price. I called my buddy to thank him and discussed it with him and he said that was just great and mentioned that SOMETIMES depending on MARKET conditions, an experienced shopper is able to do BETTER then the gms pricing. He understood it real well and was happy for me. I wish I got the same vibes from you and from some of the other thread responders. Several guys have made reference to age and that we "just don't get it". Well, I am sorry to say but it appears that perhaps some of you don't get it.
In any case, I am done with the subject and can't spend anymore time on it. And, now that the rain has stopped in Florida, I am going to go out and hit some tennis balls with some friends. Cheerio and the best of luck to you.
So POOR LITTLE YOU , if you have never worked to this point in your life or have worked for little profit ( and that is what you are asking the dealership to do ) you are looking at the wrong vehicle. This is not a poor man's vehicle , you will not be happy with it , in saying that I do not want to leave the impression we are all rich on this site but I think most have enough money to purchase and enjoy the SSR and that is what it is all about !!!!!!!!!
OH Now there are restrictions on how much you should make before you can own one of these fine rides. I'm sure even a poor man would like one of these rides.
I know because I am not on a big budget, yet I still take pride in my ride, and respect others for their choices. But to recommend someone buy something else because he does not want to pay to much, sounds just like my dealer when I first met him with interest in a SSR. The dealers do not want to take anymore of a cut than they have to. As far as dealer invoices, the dealer makes these up themselves, and I wouldn't trust the numbers on any of these things to begin negotiations.
Come on guys. Redtoes is just concerned about getting the best deal he can. If the dealership will sell it at a loss (Yea right, like they would) then more power to him.
I have never met an honest car dealer or politician, and I have one of each in the family. They are going to get the best deal they can, that makes them the most money for themselves that they can. Why shouldn't the buyer try to do the same for themselves. I seriously doubt that dealerships will sell at prices that would shut themselves down. Although I know of a few that should shut down, to protect the public from these rabid dogs.
Be wary of dealerships that say they will treat you like family, because all that means is you'll like the way you get screwed over by them.
So to all future buyers. Work the best deal you can that works for you and don't worry about the poor little dealership not getting enough of their cut. In the end you can be sure they will.
My SSR: Black, '03, 1sb, #1256, License Plate was WOW FCTR
Blame a guy?
If dealerships want to charge $10k over sticker, you can't blame a guy for trying to get $10k under sticker. I will always compare prices. I visited (that's like drove to) about 17 dealerships in 2003 looking for someone selling at MSRP....didn't find 1 (well did find one, but would have to wait for a 2004). I don't see anything wrong with trying to get the best price.
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2003 Black SSR #1256 1sb
100000 miles (02/04/07).....
150000 miles 10/22/08
My SSR: SSR 04 – PEDIGREE SSR Chrome Wheels w/ 1st Aux. Gauge Package released for Production. #9684
A Deal of a Life Time?
A deal of a life time!
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Originally Posted by Joe Schuhriemen
Marc,
Don't take my comments so personally. You sound like you have a dog in this race. ... I did, and came up with a negotiated price of about $2,500 under the gms price. I called my buddy to thank him and discussed it with him and he said that was just great and mentioned that SOMETIMES depending on MARKET conditions, an experienced shopper is able to do BETTER then the gms pricing. ...
Best Regards,
Sarasota Joe
HI Joe,
I am glad you chose to respond back. FYI: The only way I can see a dealer ever giving up on or sacrificing all of his profit would to be to unload an old vehicle i.e. 03 or 04 SSRs that had been sitting at the dealerships for over a year!
That being said... I feel I must respond once again. What you just stated here, if indeed it is true, is so rare that I must comment further. *In this case everyone now wanting to buy a new GM vehicle during the month of June will actually not only get a GM employee discount (at cost) but perhaps even more off, if they use the 5% earnings that they accumulated on their GM Charge Cards. (GM employees can only earn 1%.) So in this essence you would be getting it even cheaper than we could.
You make this sound like this is an easy as pie to get a vehicle below GMS pricing. YOU CAN NOT do that unless the following situation happens. Let our members see how really RARE your deal would have to be in order to be able to achieve all that.
First: To find a GM exec. that would be willing to give you one of his "GMS" discount coupons is indeed a very rare finding.
Second: The dealer that sold you your SSR and who gave you ALL of his 5% MSRP profit off of a 2005 SSR again, is truly unthinkable and yes even "unbelievable" to me. You either have to be a "best friend" of a dealer owner or you are related to someone who works at dealership. (yes this is only my opinion here)
Third: Here is the real kicker: If a GM employee were to ever get caught at soliciting a dealer or salesperson for trying to get even a small part of the dealers 5% profit, if caught they could be banned from GMS Program forever! In other words if I were to try that... to either get some free merchandise or to ask the dealer for some of his kick back (part or their 5% profit) I could be banned from the GM program for a minimum of at least 2 years and or could even be fired in a more extreme or serious of the two violations. (in this case it would be extreme taking all of the dealers profits)
To sum it up here Joe, if you got all that you said you did from that Dealer either the dealer has to be crazy to give up all his profits on their 2005 SSR … or there is a whole lot more to this story that can not be seen or told on here!
Ps. Now I got that off my chest so I feel much better!
Mark,
Thank you. You put that so much better than I ever could. This ol Marine would have just kicked in the door and told it like it was. Thats why your the moderator and I'm just the truck owner. Thank you again.
Mike
Semper Fi
This is going to be a tough enough month, selling all these cars at GMS. Now to find out that he is encouraging people to go in and negotiate a better deal. Absolutly crazy. There may be more problems that lie ahead for GM in doing this stupid thing anyway. Some states may make suit against them...........PRICE FIXING ???
Who Knows.
Do dealerships have the option not to honor the GMS pricing? I really want to buy a truck right away but having trouble with getting this discount from a certain dealer. Just wondering. Bob
If the dealer sells one vehicle to one person using the GFP code, he must sell any and all except the few exceptions that GM declared. This has become a real issue at our store with the Diesel Trucks. This is just not a good thing. But the consumer should take advantage of it. Looking long term.....like, next month, How many cars do you think the dealers will sell when they go back to normal prices. Like I said, it is not a good thing for ME.
Steve and Koool,
As we were instructed by our GM rep yesterday, all GM dealers have to participate in the program. Hope that not true. After last month, (five units), I'm not ready for this. But I've been in this to long to worry about it. Just keep plugging along.
Mike
Semper Fi
My SSR: SSR 04 – PEDIGREE SSR Chrome Wheels w/ 1st Aux. Gauge Package released for Production. #9684
Today's Newspaper Ads
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Originally Posted by Watch Six
Steve and Koool,
As we were instructed by our GM rep yesterday, all GM dealers have to participate in the program. Mike
Semper Fi
HI MIke,
In todays newspaper ads...
"For the first time in history, everyone in America gets the GM employee discount. You pay what we pay. Not a cent more. At participating dealers only. Event ends July 5th.
It must not be ALL dealers... cause in the paper it says at "participating dealers" only
My SSR: SSR 04 – PEDIGREE SSR Chrome Wheels w/ 1st Aux. Gauge Package released for Production. #9684
Joe.... Another possibility here
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Originally Posted by Joe Schuhriemen
Marc,
I am glad you feel better. I'm done.
Sarasota Joe
Hey Joe,
In rethinking about your great deal ... I may have over looked one other possibility... if so I will owe you an apology.
You may have really been lucky enough to have found that one dealer who was "impatient" and just wanted to dump out of their 05 SSR for cost. Old memories of being stuck with 03 or 04s once again, could have been haunting that dealer. "... Let's get out now before we lose money." kinda feeling.
Perhaps your dealer didn’t want to get stuck with that nightmare of losing money again. If that is the case... then you indeed did a great job on getting your best price/ purchase from them.
I would then owe you an apology for me not thinking that could happen again so quickly.
Steve and Koool,
As we were instructed by our GM rep yesterday, all GM dealers have to participate in the program. Hope that not true. After last month, (five units), I'm not ready for this. But I've been in this to long to worry about it. Just keep plugging along.
Mike
Semper Fi
Your previous statment in this thread said you sold 2 in a week.
Now it was 5 for the whole month.
Must be a car dealer, always the changing numbers to work out the way they want them to.
Marc, why apologize if you aren't correct ? That would only go against the norm here.
Why keep knocking someone for not believing the deal he got.
Just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
Take him at his word untill proven otherwise.
Sounds to me like you would make a heck of a car salesman.
Wanting to disagree before knowing all the ins and outs of his deal.
Whoa guys,
How many of you have heard of the free enterprise system and also buyer beware! Buyer goes for the best deal he can get that benefits him. The seller gets the most money for what he is selling. Quite often much more than the product would sell for elsewhere at a different time. I can guarantee you when I purchase my 2006 SSR only the dealer and I will know what we settled on as a price. But I will tell you this, when the deal is done, if there is any blood on the floor it won't be mine.
I worked for G.M. for many years at Lordstown, Ohio in tool & die. I can tell you this, Mother f*(#*(@^ Motors will slap you silly any chance she gets. If you don't believe me ask all the workers at St Therese. And if you don't like my opinion on the subject, don't worry, I won't vent any misplaced loyalty and kick down your door!
TX_Tux,
I didn't say that I sold 5 SSR all month, my original quote was that I sold 2 SSR's in a week to week and a half. I sold a total of 5 cars for the whole months. For someone like me who normally sells 15-20 a month, it was a humble month. But again, please don't put words in my mouth hat I didn't speak. Have a nice day.
Mike
Semper Fi
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Originally Posted by TX_TUXEDO
Your previous statment in this thread said you sold 2 in a week.
Now it was 5 for the whole month.
Must be a car dealer, always the changing numbers to work out the way they want them to.
Marc, why apologize if you aren't correct ? That would only go against the norm here.
Why keep knocking someone for not believing the deal he got.
Just because you can't explain it, doesn't mean it didn't happen that way.
Take him at his word untill proven otherwise.
Sounds to me like you would make a heck of a car salesman.
Wanting to disagree before knowing all the ins and outs of his deal.
If you want an SSR suck it up and buy one. I realize it takes all kinds to make the world go 'round but if you find the one you want - go for it. You can spend days going around to all the dealers and looking for the best deal but if you try at it to hard you just might loose the one you want. Not to mention not being able to enjoy those days riding in one. I got a very small discount but if they wouldn't have offered it - I would have still bought it. I take mine to a different dealer for service and even they ooh and ahh over my car. When I told them I got it just under sticker they were floored because they sell them for 3,000-5,000 over sticker. I would still bought one from them though if they had what I was looking for.
03 SSR 2190, 05 Tahoe, 08 HHR SS, 94 C4
