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Old 09-20-2007, 07:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Cool PA drivers must read!!! - from GTO Forum

I ran across this on the GTO Forum and copied it here for PA SSR owners to read.

Is this what's happening in PA?




Read this you wont be happy its already in the begining stages of being implemented.
http://delvalmusclecars.com/forums/viewtopic.php?t=184

If you live in PA, your rights to own and customize a car is in serious jeopardy. In January, 2007, PENNDOT implemented a new "ENHANCED VEHICLE INSPECTION PROGRAM" known as EVIP. This program was developed and enacted without any public exposure, debate, input, or knowledge, just like the insideous midnight pay raise that they tried to foist upon us. Please read about what is going on, or you will soon be paying huge amounts in fines, and new procedures.
Basically, PENNDOT began to develop a program to regulate and identify problem cars, like reconstructions, flood damaged vehicles, etc. Unfortunately, as wilth eveything that the state decides to stick its nose into, it went awry, and some brilliant idiot decided to include any and all cars that are not absolute, 100% stock vehicles.
Here's how it goes. Once the plan gets fully implemented, there will be a network of special inspection stations across the state, and you will have to take your custom, collector, hotrod, streetrod, etc (Or any vehicle tagged by a state trooper as not being 100% stock) to one of these stations for inspection. Inspections may range in price from $100 up to $500, but that is still unknown. If your car passes inspection, you will be issued (And have to pay for) a new title, and the specifics of your vehicle will be entered into a data base.
Now here's where the fun comes in. A state trooper may pull you over at any time, even if you are legally licensed, inspected, etc, and doing absolutely nothing wrong. He will print out a list of specifics from the data base, and compare them to your vehicle. If ANYTHING has changed on your vehicle, he will fine you, declare that your title is now invalid, and force you to go through the expensive inspection and retitling process all over again, and you will not be able to use your car until you comply. Listen to what I said. ANY CHANGE IN YOUR VEHICLE can result in a fine, and costly reinspection and retitleing. So that means that if you change the size of your tires, put on different wheels, add air shocks, add a lift kit, add ground effects, ANYTHING, you are in trouble.
This will affect EVERY SINGLE CAR OWNER AND DRIVER IN THE STATE OF PA, NEW CARS AND OLD. If you buy a brand new truck and put bigger tires on it, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you buy a tuner and put ground effects on it, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you buy a motorcycle and put custom pipes on it, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you replace the engine in your cars with another size engine, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you repaint your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If your car develops rust, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you put headers on your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you change the exhaust on your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. If you change the air induction system on your car, YOU ARE IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS. I repeat, anything that deviates from 100% stock, or changes your vehicle in any way from the last time it was titled, IS IN VIOLATION OF THE NEW LAWS.
This is a savage, and brutal attack on the drivers of PA, and especially the car enthusiasts in this state.
What can you do? If you are concerned (You should be FURIOUS!), there are things you can do. Groups are starting to form, but we need all of the help and support we can get from all of you. This is a battle that will depend on grassroots support. No one will fight for us or help us, unless we show that we will not take this sort of thing lying down. Car clubs are starting to rally, petitions are starting to be passed around. People are starting to complain to their elected officials. I urge every driver in PA to sign one of the petitions, and join one of the groups. Volunteer a little of your time and service, or it will untimately cost you much more. Call, email, or write to the state senators and representatives and tell them that you want this stopped. The people that are implementing this insideous program are appointed, but the politicians are elected, so tell them straight out that you are so mad, that if they don't do anything about this, you will not vote for them in the next election.
There has been almost no information about these new laws let out to the public. The state is trying to get inspection stations to sign a contract to become one of these enhanced inspection stations, so if you, or someone you know owns an inspections station, tell them to refuse to join up. If they read the fine print of the contract, they will find out that if they accept the terms of the contract, THEY WILL AGREE TO ACCEPT LIABILITY FOR ANY CURRENT AND FUTURE PROBLEMS RELATED TO OR CAUSED BY ANY VEHICLE THEY INSPECT.
A friend of mine, and longtime car enthusiast, Bob Pisaneschi is locally spearheading the fight against the new laws. He has already been in contact with State Representative Dan Surra, who was totally unaware of the extent of PENNDOTS plans. Mr Surra, a car enthusiast himself, was quick to promote the creation of a MOTORSPORTS CAUCUS in the state legislature, to protect the rights of car enthusiasts in the state of PA. Every driver in PA needs to contact MR. Surra (814-375-4688), and give him your support, and tell him that you don't agree with the new Enhanced Vehicle Inspection Program, and its impact on drivers, car owners, and car enthusiasts in the state of PA. Every driver should also contact his or her own State Representatives and Senators, and voice these same concerns to them. If you would like Bob Pisaneschi to talk to your group or car club, to learn the true extent and potential impact of these new laws, and to see how you can help, PM me, and I will put you in touch with him.
Please, I urge every driver and car owner in PA, and especially those of us who own custom, collector, streetrod, hotrod, or any other type of special vehicle, to get involved in the fight now, and not let the state of PA pull these Gestapo-like tactics on the law abiding drivers and car enthusaists of PA. If you don;t do it, no one else will, and you will have no one else to blame, but yourself, when collector and special interest vehicles become a thing of the past. This is truely a sad day in the history of this great state, when a decent, law-abiding interest and hobby like ours is targeted for destruction by a few self-serving, misinformed, beurocratic bozos like the ones who developed these new policies

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http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotfor...d_si_guide.pdf

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Old 09-20-2007, 08:05 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm not from PA.......But I will say ....What a bunch of B/S..... And you pay them to think up this CRAP.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:30 AM   #3 (permalink)
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These 2 links did not work for me.....well the first one went somewhere...a google list of I don't know what.
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These 2 links did not work for me.....well the first one went somewhere...a google list of I don't know what.
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I can't see how the people of PA would sit back and let this happen! But this is a good wake-up call to get after your state reps.
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Old 09-20-2007, 09:11 AM   #6 (permalink)
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You can't even repaint your car???

What will happen to Doug's "RaticalSSR" beautiful paint job and Chris's "Devastator" custimzed SSR etc etc. ?
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Actually, there is some truth and fiction to the above story, read a Senators reply to the message above. I am sure there is a ton more information out there on the web. I understand both sides, the states issues with rebuilt cars and our right to modify. This is obviously turning into another urban myth ...........


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Old 09-20-2007, 10:03 AM   #8 (permalink)
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Lordy! This even makes California look good! I hope this isn't some new virus.

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Best place on earth to live is in Phila. About 50% of the drivers are uninsured. Forget about inspected vehicles. Drivers with expired or no drivers license. Unlimited Scofflaws. And they go after the good guys...the people with the deepest pockets. And the beat goes on.
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I do not live in PA, but this law will pass when the cows come home to sing. The state would loose so much taxes when all those speed shops, stereo shops and all the custom car shops out there close and lay off all these workers.
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Best place on earth to live is in Phila. About 50% of the drivers are uninsured. Forget about inspected vehicles. Drivers with expired or no drivers license. Unlimited Scofflaws. And they go after the good guys...the people with the deepest pockets. And the beat goes on.
Obviously the mice have "ratted" you out for all of your modifications and are being cut in for part of the states action! (or could this be the revenge of the MIL? Film at 11:00)
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My cars are 100% compliant 100%





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I've heard this before.... (about Virginia though)

Ok... here's my interpretation.

All modifications must comply with Federal and state motor vehicle laws and emissions laws.

I see plenty of mods that violate those laws - illegal lighting, body modifications, exhaust modifications, etc. New wheels will not be in violation as long as they fit within the fenders. Changing out to blue turn signal lights is not legal (the laws state that fronts must be amber, rear either red or amber).

In most states, having any kind cover that alters the lights (tinting or decals) or anything that obscures your license plate even just slightly is also illegal. If you read the packaging of any aftermarket product and it states that "FOR OFF ROAD OR SHOW CAR USE ONLY", it's not legal to use on your street car.
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and the check's in the mail
The only thing that is compliant in your home is YOU, DWM, when the MIL is in town. Squeek up!
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Ok... here's my interpretation.

All modifications must comply with Federal and state motor vehicle laws and emissions laws.

I see plenty of mods that violate those laws - illegal lighting, body modifications, exhaust modifications, etc. New wheels will not be in violation as long as they fit within the fenders. Changing out to blue turn signal lights is not legal (the laws state that fronts must be amber, rear either red or amber).

In most states, having any kind cover that alters the lights (tinting or decals) or anything that obscures your license plate even just slightly is also illegal. If you read the packaging of any aftermarket product and it states that "FOR OFF ROAD OR SHOW CAR USE ONLY", it's not legal to use on your street car.
Please do not get me started on my lovely Commonwealth! In an effort to stem "wild teenaged driving, the legislature banner neon lights from vehicles unless the lights have a complete cover and cannot be seen when the vehicle is in operation, Gonna stop that crusizin' with a piece of legislation. Reminds me of the push against long hair, back in the day when I had hair!
The latest is the legislation which allows the state to add additional fines to all "serious" motor vehicle violations. So you get a speeding ticket, and you pay a hefty fine, get points on your driving record, and your insurance premiums go up. A bit later you get even better news, the state sends you a HUGE bill for abusing the roads of the commonwealth. This little gem can by up to $3000 bucks!
While I do plan to move as soon as I can dump this house, were I not planning to, this would motivate me to leave anyway. The legislature, ya gotta love em how they think up new ways to increase revenue short falls which they created!
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Fine the Wild Teenage and all other wild drivers...include the CELL phone drivers...Every State would get rich. And Quickly
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The legislature, ya gotta love em how they think up new ways to increase revenue short falls which they created!
Yeah.. somehow here in the wonderful republik of mare-eee-land, we went from a budget surplus under a rep gov to a 1 billion deficit under a dem gov- IN LESS THAN 2 YEARS! How can a state with the highest average income in the nation and a 4.75% income tax BE BROKE?

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Fine the Wild Teenage and all other wild drivers...include the CELL phone drivers...Every State would get rich. And Quickly
If they gave commissions on tickets, I'd be one of the first to volunteer to give out the tickets - guaranteed job security!
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Hate to burst your bubble, but the "Rs" did the same thing down here in Virginny, so I don't blame the politicians, I blame the people for letting them get away with the nonsense.

As far as giving out tickets, the next moron I follow who is texting on his or her cell phone is going to meet a really cranky old bald guy! grrrrrr

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Smile Fixed the links from the first post

For some reason the links don't copy correctly, sorry they didn't didn't carry over.

I thought I had checked them, but anyway they are fixed in the post and I have posted again here:


http://64.233.167.104/search?q=cache...ient=firefox-a

http://www.dot10.state.pa.us/pdotfor...d_si_guide.pdf

If you goto the GTO Forum in the "Northeast" you can read the comments there.

Some say it's not correct and others say that there's some truth to it.

You'll have to check it out if you live in PA.
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Hate to burst your bubble, but the "Rs" did the same thing down here in Virginny, so I don't blame the politicians, I blame the people for letting them get away with the nonsense.

As far as giving out tickets, the next moron I follow who is texting on his or her cell phone is going to meet a really cranky old bald guy! grrrrrr
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