My SSR: 2006 Slingshot Auto #23320 Final Production Run Build Date: 2-16-06
Gas/ethanol
I have noticed more and more of the Brand Gas Stations around here are adding stickers that say "Contains 1% to 10% Ethanol". Now the last one close to me, Gate Petroleum had it today when I filled up.
Are these corn squeezing's going to effect more than horsepower and mileage?
I have noticed more and more of the Brand Gas Stations around here are adding stickers that say "Contains 1% to 10% Ethanol". Now the last one close to me, Gate Petroleum had it today when I filled up.
Are these corn squeezing's going to effect more than horsepower and mileage?
I can't recall the last time I saw a pump that didn't have that 10% sticker on it. Shell, Texaco, BP...all the major brands here in Williamsburg have it on the pump.
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Originally Posted by Bagger
I can't recall the last time I saw a pump that didn't have that 10% sticker on it. Shell, Texaco, BP...all the major brands here in Williamsburg have it on the pump.
We have Sunoco gas in NY that uses 10% Ethanol gas blend.
It is my understanding that by Federal Law up to 10% ethanol is the most any oil company can mix into their regular gasoline and still sell it to you as regular gas.
The Octane rating of the Ethanol is determined by its Designation only Ethanol is low Octane, Methyl Ethanol is high Octane. But the low grade is more of a filler than anything else. Kind of like adding Soy Beans to Meat products. You can't as a Gas refinery add too much Ethanol for more than just the two reasons I will state. One, more than 10 percent would eat away all rubber it comes into contact with. EG. Hoses, Fuel Pumps, Injectors, Even metal fuel Tanks. You may ask why would it affect a metal fuel Tank.
Here is number two, Ethanol attracts Moisture, especially from the ground. so storage tanks under ground just helps the Ethanol attract water. Therefore water in a metal Fuel Tank = Big time Rust.
I have noticed more and more of the Brand Gas Stations around here are adding stickers that say "Contains 1% to 10% Ethanol". Now the last one close to me, Gate Petroleum had it today when I filled up.
The price goes up and the oil company solution is to give us 90% gasoline with a 10% adulterant added.
My SSR: 2006 Slingshot Auto #23320 Final Production Run Build Date: 2-16-06
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Originally Posted by MoodyBlue
The Octane rating of the Ethanol is determined by its Designation only Ethanol is low Octane, Methyl Ethanol is high Octane. But the low grade is more of a filler than anything else. Kind of like adding Soy Beans to Meat products. You can't as a Gas refinery add too much Ethanol for more than just the two reasons I will state. One, more than 10 percent would eat away all rubber it comes into contact with. EG. Hoses, Fuel Pumps, Injectors, Even metal fuel Tanks. You may ask why would it affect a metal fuel Tank.
Here is number two, Ethanol attracts Moisture, especially from the ground. so storage tanks under ground just helps the Ethanol attract water. Therefore water in a metal Fuel Tank = Big time Rust.
I read the other day if you use it for boating you had better have spare fuel filters on board. Also it will decrease mileage by about 2%.
My SSR: Slingshot Yellow VIN 20778 Born 05 May 2005 (05/05/05)
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Originally Posted by davisfire
I have noticed more and more of the Brand Gas Stations around here are adding stickers that say "Contains 1% to 10% Ethanol". Now the last one close to me, Gate Petroleum had it today when I filled up.
Are these corn squeezing's going to effect more than horsepower and mileage?
You've been super lucky, Davisfire . . . we've had the 10% Ethanol alerts around here for years and that's on all Brands.
Maybe that's why we never see anything higher than 91 Octane ratings.
Good idea, is that the same as a water/fuel separator?
I don't think we have a choice unless we fill up at the municipal airport on avgas.
You can purchase these Water knockouts in Various sizes. Pint, QT. even in the Gal. range. But they work the same way as a pneumatic water seperator. But the Glass bowl are the best,with the bleeder at the bottom. Gas and Ethanol float on water so water will be seperated at the bottom of the bowl and you will see the difference in color.
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My 2 cents? In Missouri the regular does not contain 10% ethanol and has a lower octane rating on the pump than the Ethanol which is considered a midrange. At some stations the ethanol added is 3 to 4 cents higher. Other places its the same or cheaper. I read that the ethanol is subsudized by the GOV'T so it should be cheaper. I've tried to go green and use it but found my mileage drops 15 to 20% depending on the car and it really made my 76 vette smell funny, not like it was running rich and more like a french fry?
My 2 cents? In Missouri the regular does not contain 10% ethanol and has a lower octane rating on the pump than the Ethanol which is considered a midrange. At some stations the ethanol added is 3 to 4 cents higher. Other places its the same or cheaper. I read that the ethanol is subsudized by the GOV'T so it should be cheaper. I've tried to go green and use it but found my mileage drops 15 to 20% depending on the car and it really made my 76 vette smell funny, not like it was running rich and more like a french fry?
If you can smell the Ethanol, I think someone added more than 10%. I used to race various classes of race Cars and Even GO-Carts. Really fast Baby's.
I mixed my own fuels and normally you won't smell ethanol until you put about 30% to 70% premium Gas. But I wasn't running a Cat Converter either.
20% drop in Fuel economy may give a good indication of more Alky than specified on the pump.
Ethanol from Sugar CANE has more octaine than from CORN. Who grows CANE (can't kill the stuff) besides the islands and corn is being taken away from human and animals as a main food source so there goes the cost of everything related to corn products.
we have more GARBAGE (bio-degradeable) in our dumps than we know what to do with so why are they not mandating that we use that protien to ethanol source instead of just burying it???????????
does 1 + 1 = 1.75 now? someone is coming up short these days........
My SSR: '04 Purple (Penelope)#3438 1st '04 Production UV and '06 blue over silver auto, #22851 #5 0f 32
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Originally Posted by leeb
The price goes up and the oil company solution is to give us 90% gasoline with a 10% adulterant added.
How sweet..for them!!
The oil companies are driven by a federal mandate in 2005 which required renewable fuels be mixed in the gasoline supply. The oil companies have done so by mixing corn based ethanol with gasoline.
A gallon of ethanol costs about $2.24 to produce while a gallon of gasoline costs 63 cents. Also a 90-10 (ethanol) blend reduces mpg by about 3%. Quite obvious that the ethanol mandate increases demand for corn while reducing available farmland for other crops resulting in higher food prices.
The issue gets right back to Big Government being the root of the problem....politics at its best.
My SSR: 2006 Slingshot Auto #23320 Final Production Run Build Date: 2-16-06
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Originally Posted by Purple Penelope
The oil companies are driven by a federal mandate in 2005 which required renewable fuels be mixed in the gasoline supply. The oil companies have done so by mixing corn based ethanol with gasoline.
A gallon of ethanol costs about $2.24 to produce while a gallon of gasoline costs 63 cents. Also a 90-10 (ethanol) blend reduces mpg by about 3%. Quite obvious that the ethanol mandate increases demand for corn while reducing available farmland for other crops resulting in higher food prices.
The issue gets right back to Big Government being the root of the problem....politics at its best.
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Plus I think there is about a 50 cent Federal subsidy to produce ethanol that we pay for.
Ethanol from Sugar CANE has more octaine than from CORN. Who grows CANE (can't kill the stuff) besides the islands and corn is being taken away from human and animals as a main food source so there goes the cost of everything related to corn products.
we have more GARBAGE (bio-degradeable) in our dumps than we know what to do with so why are they not mandating that we use that protien to ethanol source instead of just burying it???????????
does 1 + 1 = 1.75 now? someone is coming up short these days........
The Garbage Dumps should all be used for recovering Methane, which is a gas, not a liquid. Some City's such as LA. are using the Methane to power their Electrical Generation Plants. Every County and City should be doing this.
I haven't heard of it being done in my area as of yet. Instead they want to dig them up and recover the waste products for recycling. Some Company has come up with an Automatic Sorter that can Differentiate the Materials buried. Plastics, Metals, paper and so on. This Company thinks it can make a big profit and share it with the Government agency's that let them Have the rights to the Materials buried there. Just my opinion that sounds Scary. Just think of the Toxic Chemicals buried there, let alone the possibility of an explosion due to the Methane. I would not work there.
My SSR: Black, '03, 1sb, #1256, License Plate was WOW FCTR
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Originally Posted by DOOPHUS
You've been super lucky, Davisfire . . . we've had the 10% Ethanol alerts around here for years and that's on all Brands.
Maybe that's why we never see anything higher than 91 Octane ratings.
We have 93 octane here with up to 10% Ehtanol.
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Originally Posted by SSR-Club.com
we have more GARBAGE (bio-degradeable) in our dumps than we know what to do with so why are they not mandating that we use that protien to ethanol source instead of just burying it???????????
It takes different amounts of energy to extract Ethanol from different products...Each type of garbage would probably need it's own process to obtain Ethanol....making it to costly. I have read about someone who has spent decades developing a "plasma-gasification" machine, where you can dump anything from bricks to batteries to live ammunition and it will create energy.
"Longo has been talking with the National Science Foundation about installing a system at McMurdo Station in Antarctica. The Vietnamese government is considering buying one to get rid of stockpiles of Agent Orange that the U.S. military left behind after the war. Investors from China, Poland, Japan, Romania, Italy, Russia, Brazil, Venezuela, the U.K., Mexico and Canada have all entered contract negotiations with Startech after making the pilgrimage to Bristol to see Longo’s dog-and-pony show." The Prophet of Garbage | Popular Science
Two "plants" that produce more Ethanol for the same energy put into corn are algae and saw grass.
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My SSR: 2006 Aqua Blur - SSRENITY #22578 Born 10/20/2005
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Originally Posted by davisfire
I read the other day if you use it for boating you had better have spare fuel filters on board. Also it will decrease mileage by about 2%.
It is even more serious than that if you have a boat with a fiberglass tank...as many do. The stuff will actually dissolve the tank material, turning it gummy and plugging up everything. Eventually it can even cause a leak in the tank...no need to explain the consequences of that on a boat.
In Missouri, it is the law to add 10% to all gasoline sold here. And, yes, my milage dropped off after the law passed.
My SSR says it is E-85, has anyone tried that in their tank? I know you will get a lot less gas milage, I was wondering if anyone had the guts to try it!
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the stations that sell ethanol gas don,t have to post it unless over 10%. We get 5 cents back from uncle sam for selling it. YES you will probaly use more. Not many stations with regular gas.Regular gas will generally cost you 8-10 cents more. Farmers aren,t to happy with the way ethanol fuel has went. Denny
My SSR: Black, '03, 1sb, #1256, License Plate was WOW FCTR
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Originally Posted by krash59
In Missouri, it is the law to add 10% to all gasoline sold here. And, yes, my milage dropped off after the law passed.
My SSR says it is E-85, has anyone tried that in their tank? I know you will get a lot less gas milage, I was wondering if anyone had the guts to try it!
I don't think your SSR is E85....you better recheck....
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From what I have read the ethanol has less octane, read less performance, than gasoline. But they are double dipping us because it also costs more.
No, it has More Octane about 105 ( I am talking 85 Blend. One of our local tuners, will tune to that and you will perform just well or better. than 5 or 10%
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