anyone using one of these?
for $400+, it really isnt in my budget. but hoping the price would come down a bit for the 03-04 models.
im thinking the money is better spend with a tune from jeremy, but would love to make the engine compartment look different somehow.
joey
My SSR: 04 UV, BOD 2-18-04, SN 5550, lots of polished billet, Superchips, K&N - Previous 03 and 05 owner
Personally, I would just install a foam or gauze (K&N, Aimsoil, Air Hog, etc...) filter since the SSR is built with a ram style intake anyway and save the big money for a tune. You really can't go wrong with either a custom tune or a handheld like Superchips or Diablo. Custom is there "forever" so there is no changing it at a whim, that is why I like the handhelds. If I want to run a low octane for a few weeks or play with shift points I can always do so at my leisure, not so with a custom one done for you.
Good luck in whatever you decide but I do agree, the money saved could be used elsewhere
My SSR: 2004 Smokin' Asphalt #8480 - Born April 15, 2004 - Adopted March 1, 2010 - K&N,Diablo, WindsuppreSSR
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Originally Posted by Dragon2U
Personally, I would just install a foam or gauze (K&N, Aimsoil, Air Hog, etc...) filter since the SSR is built with a ram style intake anyway and save the big money for a tune. You really can't go wrong with either a custom tune or a handheld like Superchips or Diablo. Custom is there "forever" so there is no changing it at a whim, that is why I like the handhelds. If I want to run a low octane for a few weeks or play with shift points I can always do so at my leisure, not so with a custom one done for you.
I agree... If money is not a factor, I'd add the K&N cold air, but just adding the K&N stock replacement filter moves more air.
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Originally Posted by jojo750
anyone using one of these?
for $400+, it really isnt in my budget. but hoping the price would come down a bit for the 03-04 models.
After seeing this:
I decided to leave the cold-air for now. I figure if the engineers at Callaway didn't see the need to do more than that for their blower installation, I certainly didn't need it for my realatively stock setup. I did this to mine and added the filter:
Unless I do something crazy like add a blower, I think the Diablo Predator will be sufficient. Given all the parameters that can be adjusted with it, one can really personalize the setup...CAREFULLY!
though, if i could get a kit for $250, it might be a decent deal.
i emailed a seller on ebay asking for one for $250, he declined. but in my message i said that not too many people with 04 ssr's anymore, so he should sell it to clear out the inventory ... oh well. i tried.
closest place for a tune is in florida. so that would be at least $100 in gas and $300 for the tune.. so im still looking at $400.....
though my question is still there, has anyone used one of these kits? if not, k&n better start closing them out...
My SSR: 2004 Redline-#11446-1 of 43 Calif. Speedway Parade Lap Trucks 9/05/04 (#48 Jimmie Johnson)
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Originally Posted by jojo750
though, if i could get a kit for $250, it might be a decent deal.
i emailed a seller on ebay asking for one for $250, he declined. but in my message i said that not too many people with 04 ssr's anymore, so he should sell it to clear out the inventory ... oh well. i tried.
closest place for a tune is in florida. so that would be at least $100 in gas and $300 for the tune.. so im still looking at $400.....
though my question is still there, has anyone used one of these kits? if not, k&n better start closing them out...
Keep looking, you'll get a deal some day. I was floating on e-bay one day and someone took my offer for $217 total...
Your on the right track, when they realize it will become a dust collector they will sell for cost just to make space....
In the mean time drop a K & N filter in the stock air box, it does make a differance for $60...
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My SSR: '03 #01155 Painted stripes, Flomaster, K&N air system, Port/polished Throttle Body, Custom Tuned
K&N dry stock air filter replacement
Does anyone know the part number for the K&N dry stock replacement air filter for a 2003 SSR? This is the filter to go on the stock SSR system and just replace the stock air filter.
Thanks!
My SSR: '03 #01155 Painted stripes, Flomaster, K&N air system, Port/polished Throttle Body, Custom Tuned
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Originally Posted by Flying Dog
Does anyone know the part number for the K&N dry stock replacement air filter for a 2003 SSR? This is the filter to go on the stock SSR system and just replace the stock air filter.
Thanks!
Thanks to IFytFyrs.
He gave me the K&N part # 33-2322
I ordered it from K&N online.
My SSR: '05 Ricochet Silver VIN 16996 Born 10/26/04
I have had the K&N cold air intake system for a year and a half. Have been very happy with it. I understand you gain 12 h.p.on the 2005 model. Price was around $325.00 I have been using K&N for about 14 yrs. on other vehicles
El. Donovan
yeah. you get a little more with the ls2 than you gain with the 5.3 that 03/04s have.
i like the way the cold air kit looks. but i would really have to pick one up for alot cheaper than they are selling for right now.
like $200-250 would be a no-brainer. but $360-450 is out of the price range for me at this time.
will keep hounding them.
if i can get the kit and a diablo tuner each for $225 or less, i would be set for a little while...
My SSR: 05 6 sp. with 4.56 gears, ZR1 clutch, Edelbrock intake, Lunati cam, Crane rockers, C6 modified pan
Here's the route I went to get a greater volume of cool air to my intake. I was fortunate to find a new stock hood with a dent in the center for next to nothing, so I thought I'd play around with it for added performance. I found some hex steel mesh that matched the stock grill and made the insert, powdercoated it black, and added a 57 Chevy script insignia to it. I did use the K&N inlet setup, though I changed it slightly after installing the Edelbrock intake. Can't really say how much, but I know I've dropped the inlet temperature some. For every 10 degrees of temp. drop you gain 1 1/2% hp.
My SSR: 04 UV, BOD 2-18-04, SN 5550, lots of polished billet, Superchips, K&N - Previous 03 and 05 owner
I think it would actually be pretty easy. You can get the 4" tubing and filter almost everywhere and at great prices. Probably use a 22 degree angle, maybe another 6 inch straight tube, a few couplers and the K&N. You could use the existing housing to hold and position the tube assembly. You could also use some foam strips around the edges like the 05-06 trucks to make it more of a ram air system and keep the heat away as well. Good idea, a great way to save some bucks!!!
well, the amsoil and k&n and most other "hiflo" filters all run ~$50+.
the cold air kit is definitely pricey. but that was the purpose of this thread, is to find out what others have used. and i agree, definitely pricey, but definitely flow more air than stock paper filter.
I researched the K&N cold air intake pretty thoroughly about 3 years ago, as part of my continuing efforts after writing "The SSR Experience". It IS a goo deal.
People forget that getting more horsepower out of any factory setup basically always costs somewhere between $50 and $80 per crankshaft horsepower, no matter how you achieve it.
The BEST bang for the horsepower buck is the supercharger - somewhere in the $50 to $60 per horsepower range. It's only negative is that you cannot do it "a bit at a time". You have to spend all the money at once. But once you do, you have bought "the best value" out there. Every other "engine performance path" costs more per hp.
The only exception is regearing, which does NOT add horsepower, but "moves" the horsepower available into a lower speed range, which enables GREATLY improved acceleration. At $600 to $900, it is truly the best bang for the performance (not hp) buck.
The K&N kit adds 5 or 6 hp as I recall, and so a price range of $250 to $480 is in the ballpark. $250 would be a smoking deal which apaprently no one offers. $350 is still excellent.
My SSR: 04 UV, BOD 2-18-04, SN 5550, lots of polished billet, Superchips, K&N - Previous 03 and 05 owner
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I researched the K&N cold air intake pretty thoroughly ..............
Jim G
I would LOVE to see a real world comparison between a K&N drop in filter vs the Cold Air Intake setup. I would be surprised to see much difference between the two at all. the company specifies and shows dyno charts for the $400 CAI setup for both engines but fails to show any charts or claims for the $40 filter on it's own, hmmmmmmm
If you're going for a different look I think it's definitely sharp and the way to go but to spend the $$ strictly on performance #'s is questionable. If the difference between a drop in filter and CAI hardware is likely 1-3 HP the $400 could be better spent elsewhere. If someone has done a stock filter dyno run comparison on the same day on the same vehicle it would be great to see!!!!! In the mean time, here are the charts developed by K&N for the more expensive system.
Personally, I would just install a foam or gauze (K&N, Aimsoil, Air Hog, etc...) filter since the SSR is built with a ram style intake anyway and save the big money for a tune. You really can't go wrong with either a custom tune or a handheld like Superchips or Diablo. Custom is there "forever" so there is no changing it at a whim, that is why I like the handhelds. If I want to run a low octane for a few weeks or play with shift points I can always do so at my leisure, not so with a custom one done for you.
Good luck in whatever you decide but I do agree, the money saved could be used elsewhere
Most dyno's would show you that using a filter listed above is just as good as spending the $400.00 for a K&N Aircharger. Plus if you modify the stock Air Box, you can get even better air flow. Comparing a Mustang is not the same as an SSR and on a Dyno you are not moving. Most bang for the buck is as mentioned above, which is the best advise.
My SSR: 05 6 sp. with 4.56 gears, ZR1 clutch, Edelbrock intake, Lunati cam, Crane rockers, C6 modified pan
I'm sure the 5.3 would do just fine with a filter upgrade, while the LS2 might benefit some from the K&N setup to supply the additional 100 hp. It might all be a moot point with the limited air supply and poor location of the stock hood opening!
My SSR: 2004 Smokin' Asphalt #8480 - Born April 15, 2004 - Adopted March 1, 2010 - K&N,Diablo, WindsuppreSSR
Available air?
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jojo750 just priced one last week in Canada. $600.00 and the filter only is $80.00
I'll be going with just the filter.
That's What Canadian Tire money is for
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Originally Posted by Topspin
I'm sure the 5.3 would do just fine with a filter upgrade, while the LS2 might benefit some from the K&N setup to supply the additional 100 hp. It might all be a moot point with the limited air supply and poor location of the stock hood opening!
I'm CERTAINLY NOT going to dispute your knowledge and work, but can you help me understand that statement a little more? I like the work you have done to open the front of the hood What I am curious about is this: Isn't our stock setup essentially a ram-air system? If one adds the KN system, the opening is unmodified. Therefore the only changes are better sealing of the air-charge from the rest of the engine compartment (I'm talking about the 03-4s without the extra stock foam) and the introduction of the round filter which may double available air-flow when compared to a panel filter (I say may, as there seems to be no data on our specific application comparing the stock panel filter to the KN panel filter to the cold-air system). If there was insufficient air available through the stock opening, one would expect to see little or no improvement with the round filter. If the air can't get TO the filter, it can't get to the engine...
If the goal is reducing the temperature of the charge, adding some foam to seal out the engine heat should make a significant difference. Creating a larger air-box opening (as I did) may increase available air to the filter.
Guess it comes down to this: Is there enough available air to supply a stock (relatively) 5.3 or 6.0 engine through the stock hood-fascia gap? Is sealing the air-charge from the rest of the engine compartment (which I have not done yet) going to negatively impact under-hood temperatures? My truck (so far) has shown no tendencies to overheating Are my ramblings making any sense?
my reasoning is basically two-fold.
first, is to gain some HP albeit not much, but it wouldnt hurt.
second, is to give the engine compartment a different look (for car shows).
no one at a car show can see a flat k&n filter with the hood open. but with a cold air kit, its the first thing everyone sees. and with a few other stock ssr's in these shows, i want might to be different.
a custom kit might be even better for that reason, but im weighing my options.
as far as HP gains with the kit, just with the opening of the front of the air box gone, it seems that air flow would guarantee more HP over the flat KN filter, since the front of the airbox restricts some air flow. i dont know. just seems you should get more with the full kit over flat filter.
Sometimes we do mods just for the look. I am fairly certain that my intake is reducing HP. Attachment 97104
thanks for posting the pic. i saw your truck at st.pete and wanted to ask how that setup was working. since it can draw the hot air from around the engine.
My SSR: 05 6 sp. with 4.56 gears, ZR1 clutch, Edelbrock intake, Lunati cam, Crane rockers, C6 modified pan
Hey IF, you're ramblings make plenty of sense and you ask great questions! Your ramblings brought to mind my old Rambler pictured below. How does that fit our discussion?? The scoop on that car was quite revolutionary at the time (1969). Hurst Performance developed it for AMC and they had access to a wind tunnel at the time. They realized that air would tumble over the front of the hood and angle back down toward the base of the windshield (GM also came to that conclusion around the same time and developed the cowl induction ram air), hence the upward facing opening on the raised scoop. My personal feeling is that our Rs start this tumbling with the front fascia, at any decent speed, and the small recessed opening in the hood gets mostly bypassed. I don't consider it much of a ram air system at all. Even with my greatly expanded hood opening, I don't feel that I'd obtain much ram effect at 100 mph. With the intake manifold I'm running I have options and ultimately I'll probably settle on a cowl air intake for my performance hood. I'll leave the large front opening open for general under hood cooling. The stock filter package mounted directly over the radiator presents all kind of problems for cooling the in coming air charge. Speaking of air flow, I believe a lot of the gain realized with the K&N system comes from the removal of the stock rubber bellows that has to create turbulence in the intake tract. As you mentioned - Good discussion!
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K&N are way over priced in my opinion!
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