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Old 05-24-2008, 11:27 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Is the K&N Cold air induction worth the investment over the stock box with a drop in k&N or a rush filter?
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:31 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Is the K&N Cold air induction worth the investment over the stock box with a drop in k&N or a rush filter?
I think the AMSOIL air filter is the best. Hard to find though....

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Old 05-24-2008, 01:25 PM   #3 (permalink)
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it added 11 hp to my truck when I put it on
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Old 05-24-2008, 01:52 PM   #4 (permalink)
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Did it help MPG at all?
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:02 PM   #5 (permalink)
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it added 11 hp to my truck when I put it on
Not to be disprespectful, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that changing to a K&N (or any other filter for that matter) all by itself is going to give a gain of 11 HP. Now if the exhaust AND intake were opened up at the same time to make the air pump (engine) more efficient, then OK. Just my opinion.
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Old 05-24-2008, 05:11 PM   #6 (permalink)
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I'm not sure you can get much colder than the factory configuration. I think the stock system is more than adequate for a stock motor. I just put a Amsoil filter in the stock box. If you decide to go that route and have trouble getting one let me know. I can get it for you.
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Old 05-24-2008, 11:24 PM   #7 (permalink)
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I think the AMSOIL air filter is the best. Hard to find though....

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/detail.aspx?ID=3332
Amsoil products can always be ordered online. SSRFanatic.com Supporting Vendor member SubDriver is an Amsoil dealer. (Although I notice he hasn't logged on recently... maybe driving the sub!)

SubDriver's Amsoil Information, Click Here -->>Installed New Amsoil Air Filter
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Old 05-25-2008, 04:26 AM   #8 (permalink)
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K&N air filter

I replaced my Puralator with a K&N 3 months ago and think I increased my mileage by a half mile per gallon.
The car feels the same, sems that there is no major benefits other than being able to clean and replace with the same filter.
It will take me 4 filter changes to recoup the cost of the filter, I accept that and hope the MPG will remain on the plus side.
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Old 05-25-2008, 09:57 AM   #9 (permalink)
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i added a k&n system to my 03 durango rt and it increased the mileage by 1 mpg on the trip computer,,,all the way up to 15mpg,,,,

when i did it on the ssr, i added a magnaflow cat back system and the k&n on the same day and my mileage increased on the computer by around 1 1/2 mpg,,it might do better if i wasn't always stepping on it a bit harder to hear the exhaust,,,
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Not to be disprespectful, but I find it incredibly hard to believe that changing to a K&N (or any other filter for that matter) all by itself is going to give a gain of 11 HP. Now if the exhaust AND intake were opened up at the same time to make the air pump (engine) more efficient, then OK. Just my opinion.
I took my truck in to have the K&N put on and a custom tune. I already had Mike's exhaust and the torque converter on the truck. The shop did the tune, but forgot to put the K&N on first. The dyno had the max torque at 338. Then they remembered the K&N; put it on and now the dyno was at 349.1. Nothing else changed, so I have to assume that the 11 hp gain was strictly from the K&N cold air intake UNLESS you can come up with some other reason there was an 11 hp difference between the before and after.
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I think the AMSOIL air filter is the best. Hard to find though....

https://www.amsoil.com/storefront/detail.aspx?ID=3332
That is what I run in my SSR...

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Is the K&N FIPK worth the $400 or so you'll pay for it? I think so. Now I'm talking about the full FIPK kit (Part No 63-3055) for the '05-'06 SSR (the '03-'04 kit is different). I was already running the K&N filter in the stock box and I looked at the FIPK but, like you, I thought it couldn't possibly be worth the price. As luck would have it I got one for Christmas one year. It probably sat in the box for 6 months or so before I got around to putting it on. I was not expecting much but it was an easy and quick install and I had it so what the hell. As soon as I drove it I could feel a difference. I ran back home and got my G-tec and headed for my "test track". I was amazed to pick up 0.20 in the 1/4 mile. I later verified that at the drag strip too. It may not look like much but it works. I had a similar experience with K&N "back in the day" when the K&N Stub Stack first came out. Several friends of mine had spent the $50 or so (that was a lot back then) for a little piece of plastic that sat on top of your Holley carb and was supposed to make horsepower by "smoothing" the airflow into the carb. Man I laughed at them. What a waste of money. Then one of them let me borrow one to make a pass. I picked up 0.10 of a second. Another pass confirmed it. Now, I was running in the 10.90's or so at the time and to pick up a 0.10 you had to spend some money. This thing cost $50. Needless to say, I bought one. Guess I should quit under-estimating K&N.
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Old 05-26-2008, 06:01 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I took my truck in to have the K&N put on and a custom tune. I already had Mike's exhaust and the torque converter on the truck. The shop did the tune, but forgot to put the K&N on first. The dyno had the max torque at 338. Then they remembered the K&N; put it on and now the dyno was at 349.1. Nothing else changed, so I have to assume that the 11 hp gain was strictly from the K&N cold air intake UNLESS you can come up with some other reason there was an 11 hp difference between the before and after.
Thanks for the additional info. Since you did unplug the exhaust, that 11HP gain makes perfect sense. If you would have done the K&N alone first, with no other mod I think the gain would have been insignificant. The stock SSR has a great airflow setup. (BTW...the dyno numbers you posted above, if they were max TORQUE, that would not be the same as an increase in max HP)
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Old 05-26-2008, 07:11 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Just installed the K&N filter element in my existing housing. Cost around $59.00. Money well spent??? Well....it does sound better when you put the gas to the floor. That is good enought for me!
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Guys, when I saw the photos of what Callaway Engineering did to their SSR, that "iced it" for me. They merely opened up the exisitng hood on the air filter box. No K&N cold air system. If they truly felt that they could have improved on this, then you know that they would have done so. I modified the hood of my air filter box, and you can feel and hear the difference. My truck feels like it pulls a bit stronger and longer.

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Admittedly, the K&N cold air system looks quite custom and very "racy". However, I'm a big fan of symmetry. Inherently, the air tube of the SSR is offset to the left in the engine bay, but the stock air filter box straightens out the look by being centered itself. The K&N cold air system accentuates that offset, unsymmetrical look. I did not like that. Also, I believe that engine bay heat is better sealed off with the stock configuration with the foam sealer of the '05-'06 SSRs. That big air gap around the air tube penetrating the back wall of the K&N system seems suspiciously very "un-cold air like" to me.

My $0.02 is modify (open up) the air filter box hood, get yourself a high performance air filter (K&N, Fram Air Hog, Amsoil, etc.) if you'd like. You'll get some improvement and save a lot of bucks for other mod's.

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Alex you just made up my mind for me i will try the mod first thanks gj
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Not about horsepower, it's about the look?

In my case, I did not care about increasing the horsepower by 10. I have plenty for my type of driving now. I just liked the look of the K&N setup and that is what made my mind up. I have not regretted buying one. To me it looks neat and I like the look on my engine. I gave $349 for mine.

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Part of the reason the K&N systems show hp gains is the cleaning up of the intake tract. The rubber bellows on the stock system is not very clean internally from an airflow standpoint. Some turbulance is desireable in the intake path after the fuel is introduced to the incoming air. Modern thinking is that a tumbling air fuel mixture keeps the fuel more atomized and leads to a more consistant flame front in the combustion chamber. But for the incoming air to the throttle body staight and smooth is the path you want, and K&N does a pretty good job of that on their systems.

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Old 05-27-2008, 09:14 AM   #19 (permalink)
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Thanks All

I appreciate all the info.
On my Lighting and Harley F150, I installed the FIPK on them and picked up mpg, was just curious as to whether it does the same on the SSR. The callaway ssr proves the stock setup to be pretty good so I may just put a drop-in in the factory box. If anyone has a factory box that'll fit an '06 PM me, don't wnt to cut my only box.
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Old 05-30-2008, 09:55 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I'm the ecstatic owner of a slingshot 05. Loving the whole SSR package. And I'm most curious as to exactly how to modify the air intake housing. What tools? What measurements? Is there any concern about how the increased quantity of air may affect the fuel injection computer? Or does the engine happily just burble on gratefully?
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I'm the ecstatic owner of a slingshot 05. Loving the whole SSR package. And I'm most curious as to exactly how to modify the air intake housing. What tools? What measurements? Is there any concern about how the increased quantity of air may affect the fuel injection computer? Or does the engine happily just burble on gratefully?
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This is a link to the best cheapest performance mod. you can do.... IMO. And very well documented here by Joe, 2005SSR6SPEED.

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Here's a link to Alex's... I think 2005SSR6SPEED also had a thread on the modified air box, but I can't locate it.

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Old 05-31-2008, 11:45 AM   #22 (permalink)
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