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Old 07-05-2010, 04:33 PM   #1 (permalink)
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I can't wait until Texas' No Reason Stop tactics end tonight. You can be stopped at any time, for any reason if you are suspected to be driving drunk. Don't even need a reason.

What is going on in your state??
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Those that drink and drive keep killing people and tearing up perfectly good R's. Drink at home all you want. Don't drive into me and my R after you've had a 'few'.
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Those that drink and drive keep killing people and tearing up perfectly good R's. Drink at home all you want. Don't drive into me and my R after you've had a 'few'.
Makes sense to me, Sangus.

I've never understood the logic behind those weird Reason To Stop policies.
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think its about racial profiling if you look like a thug they still need a reason to pull you over
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think its about racial profiling if you look like a thug they still need a reason to pull you over
Speaking from experience, Marc?

What about the No Seatbelt Law? Either you ARE or you ARE NOT Buckled Up, yet in many states it is one of those No Reason To Stop Laws.

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I can't wait until Texas' No Reason Stop tactics end tonight. You can be stopped at any time, for any reason if you are suspected to be driving drunk. Don't even need a reason.

What is going on in your state??
Here the Sherriff sets up random check points. If you turn around and go the other way they chase you down and give you a ticket No profiling here--100% stops. I can laugh 'cause I'm never out on the roads when they're doin these checkpoints.
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If you are drinking and driving...you need to be put in jail and take the driver's licence away for a year or two...

for the traffic stops/checkpoints...if you are not doing anything wrong ..why be worried....if you are doing something wrong, be scared and complain about it
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If you are drinking and driving...you need to be put in jail and take the driver's licence away for a year or two...

for the traffic stops/checkpoints...if you are not doing anything wrong ..why be worried....if you are doing something wrong, be scared and complain about it
Thats how its done around here.
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If you are drinking and driving...you need to be put in jail and take the driver's licence away for a year or two...

for the traffic stops/checkpoints...if you are not doing anything wrong ..why be worried....if you are doing something wrong, be scared and complain about it
Makes sense to me, BlueMan.
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Thats how its done around here.
Same here. My disagreement is where the legal limit is set. The drunk driving problem should be controlled by using the threshold that would deal -only- with those who are past where the vast majority of issues are caused on our highways. If this were the case it would be set somewhere around .13 BAC. This is all that is required to keep almost all of those causing accidents (due to being impaired by alcohol) off the highway.

Reality is the limits are set at the current levels NOT to save lives but as a result of lobbying pressure, revenue generation, etc. The activists who successfully pushed the levels down to where they are (such as MADD) admit this openly. Yet they continue to push to reduce it further... the goal is obviously to have alcohol outlawed, the limit set at zero. They actually think attempting to return to prohibition would be a good thing. Par for the course, activists tend to make decisions based on emotion, not reality.

I don't drive above the legal limit, but think where our laws consider a driver to be "drunk" these days is both unrealistic & counterproductive.

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While I am not in favor of anyone being pulled over for no reason I don't understand why so many people have "one or two" and then drive.

I don't drink if I'm going to ride or drive and I don't ride with people that do.


From the Motorcycle Safety Foundation.


QUICK TIPS: The Importance of Riding Unimpaired by Alcohol or Other Drugs
Theory: Alcohol And Motorcycles Are Incompatible
• At a BAC* of 0.01 to 0.04%, judgment begins to lessen, the drinker is less critical of their own actions, reaction time is slowed, and indications of mental relaxation may appear.
• At a BAC of 0.05 to 0.07%, judgment is not sound, thinking and reasoning powers are not clear, and the ability to perform complex skills is lessened.
• At a BAC of 0.08% or above, judgment and reasoning powers are severely hampered, and the individual cannot complete common simple tasks without error.


Proof: Statistics From Recent Studies (by NHTSA, Florida, Kentucky, and Australia)
• Having any alcohol in one’s body increases the chance of crashing by five times.
• Having a BAC greater than 0.05% increases the risk of crashing about forty-fold.
• 46 percent of all motorcyclists killed in crashes were using alcohol.
• One fourth of all fatal alcohol-related motorcycle crashes involve motorcyclists running off the road, overturning, or falling from the motorcycle rather than striking another object.
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Old 07-05-2010, 10:23 PM   #12 (permalink)
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• Having any alcohol in one’s body increases the chance of crashing by five times.
• Having a BAC greater than 0.05% increases the risk of crashing about forty-fold.
Alcohol impairment does matter more when on two wheels. But I rode for 25 years and in my experience this type of "statistical" propaganda is right out of the left field cheap seats.

Anyone who thinks having one sip of beer (ANY alcohol is what it reads...) and then riding home decreases your likelihood of getting there without a crash by five times you can skip the drugs, your judgement is impaired by a dearth of common sense.
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Sheesh, am I ever glad this came up!!
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If you are drinking and driving...you need to be put in jail and take the driver's licence away for a year or two...

for the traffic stops/checkpoints...if you are not doing anything wrong ..why be worried....if you are doing something wrong, be scared and complain about it
Same system up our way.

Checkstops do not profile. They stop everybody. If you own up to "having a drink" they are obligated to do a field sobriety test. If you've been drinking "marginally" - below .08 BAC legal limits, your driver's license is lifted for 24 hours.

If you fail the field sobriety test (above .08 BAC), your day just went to hell in a handbasket. Off to the station for full testing, then booking, then lawyers, and probably a serious bank loan to fight the system.

I have no problem with that. If we go out, Iris is the designated drinker. I'm the designated driver. I enjoy driving way too much to risk losing that priviledge.
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Sheesh, am I ever glad this came up!!
At first blush it's hard to speak against the "Texas' No Reason Stop tactics" because if you're not a "bad guy" what does it hurt? My brother was pulled over for speeding on the highway and they asked to search his vehicle , he let them and nothing came of it. Made me wonder whats the right thing to do in that situation, I'm a big law and order guy, I want them to catch the bad guys and I don't have anything to hide so I should let them search even without a obvious reason. But then I think what if the police knocked on my door and said they didn't have a good reason but would I mind if they searched my house. Would stopping a person for no reason be much different?
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Yes, I got stopped for no reason in my R. The Lieutenant looked and finally wrote a courtesy ticket for not having front plates. I thanked the lieutenant and went on my way quite satisfied with myself. Knocking on my door, however, would make me move.
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At first blush it's hard to speak against the "Texas' No Reason Stop tactics" because if you're not a "bad guy" what does it hurt? My brother was pulled over for speeding on the highway and they asked to search his vehicle , he let them and nothing came of it. Made me wonder whats the right thing to do in that situation, I'm a big law and order guy, I want them to catch the bad guys and I don't have anything to hide so I should let them search even without a obvious reason. But then I think what if the police knocked on my door and said they didn't have a good reason but would I mind if they searched my house. Would stopping a person for no reason be much different?
If the officer ask to search your vehicle ...you can say no and that is that...but he can look thru the windows .......but if you say yes he can search ..look under seats and etc.... now if he sees something or smells something suspicious.. he has the right to search the vehicle ...or he can call and obtain a search warrant to search it...tear the seats and interior out .....or if the drug dog gets a "alert" than he can search also.....
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Driving and talking should also be on the list of don'ts. I have talked on the phone while driving before but it's only when the phone rings, and just for a brief "Hi, I'll call you back" type call. I've almost been sideswiped by several people driving and talking. Just my two cents. I have to confess though, I always want to drive faster than the law allows in my R. That's when the PERMAGRIN really shows. Like the song says, "I can't drive 55"
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