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Old 09-03-2010, 02:00 PM   #1 (permalink)
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SSR Production: The Total Number


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After struggling off and on for about 3 years I believe I have finally arrived at how to reconcile to GM's "Total" Production number of 24180!


The SSR was built with a sequential VIN series commencing with:
1GCES14P03B100001 ending with The Last SSR
1GCES14H06B124112

VIN 1GCES14P93B100050 was removed and replaced by:
1GCES64P93B000050 - Rick Wagoners birthday Signature #50.
1GCES14P93B100050 - This regular production VIN was never built (as an SSR),
therefore must be subtracted from the regular production total.
Note the differences in the VIN’s:
(The 9 in the second VIN was inserted for comparative purposes only and not the true check digit)
Add: I cannot find evidence VIN 1GCES14HX5B119000 was ever built.
It is not in GM's build sheet records, not on the CompNine build sheet registry, and CarFax does not recognize the VIN.

8 Duplicate VIN's
On June 16, 2004 GM built 8 MY2005 WD1 Pilots within the MY2004 VIN sequence.
In all other examples of Early MY Builds GM replaced the “4”B with “5”B to signify MY2005 status within the MY2004 VIN sequence. In this case for unknown reasons they varied from normal procedure. They inserted 8 MY2005's amid the MY2004 sequence, while retaining the MY2004 VIN's rather than replacing them.
This resulted in 8 pairs of VINs, each pair having the same “last 5”.
In other words, there is a “4B” and a “5B” in each pair with the same “last 5”.
The result of this is an additional 8 VINs, so:

24,110 after removal of Regular Production #50 & #19000
+ 8 Duplicate VINs =
24,118 Regular Production SSR’s.

Re: Duplicate VINs
*Bob Walczyk letter responding to my queries confirmed 8 duplicates
**I have confirmed build sheets for all 16.

The Signature Series
There were 25 official Signature Series SSRs.
The Signature Series have slight VIN differences and are not a part of the regular production VIN sequence.
64P vs 14P. The 6 indicates “special finish”.
B0 vs B1. The “0” indicates Signature Series and the “1” indicates Regular Production.
Example:
1GCES64P_3B000050 - Signature Series
1GCES14P_3B100050 - Regular Production - (this one not built)

Although not considered true Signature Series there was a 3rd Pace SSR built, referred to as Signature #26 as it has a Signature "style" VIN.
The same goes for Wagoner's #50.

Total Numbers
So how many SSRs were built?
24112 - 2 VIN's never built - (1GCES14P13B100050 & 1GCES14HX5B119000)
24110
24118 Regular Production (24110 + 8 duplicate VINs)
24120 add 2 Signature "style" VIN's - Pace 1GCES64P13B000026 & Wagoner 1GCES64P93B000050
24145 add 25 Signature Series
24177 add 32 MY2003 EX VINS
24179 add 2 MY2004 EX VINS
24180 Total including 1 MY2005 EX VIN

When anyone asks, just say
24,112!!!
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Regular Production
The SSR was built with a sequential VIN series commencing with:
1GCES14P03B100001 ending with The Last SSR
1GCES14H06B124112

VIN 1GCES14P93B100050 was removed and replaced by:
1GCES64P93B000050 - Rick Wagoners birthday Signature #50.
1GCES14P93B100050 - This regular production VIN was never built (as an SSR),
therefore must be subtracted from the regular production total.
Note the differences in the VIN’s:
(The 9 in the second VIN was inserted for comparative purposes only and not the true check digit)

8 Duplicate VIN's
On June 16, 2004 GM built 8 MY2005 WD1 Pilots within the MY2004 VIN sequence.
With all other early MY Builds GM would replace the “4”B with “5”B to signify MY2005 status within the MY2004 VIN sequence. Replacement would not affect the overall total production numbers. (see *** below)
In this case for unknown reasons they varied from normal procedure and did not replace the '04 VIN’s with '05 VIN's.
They inserted 8 MY2005's amid the MY2004 sequence, retaining the MY2004 VIN's rather than replacing them.
This resulted in 8 pairs of VINs, each pair having the same “last 5”.
In other words, there is a “4B” and a “5B” in each pair with the same “last 5”.
The result of this is an additional 8 VINs, so:

24,111 after removal of Regular Production #50
+ 8 Duplicate VINs =
24,119 Regular Production SSR’s.

Re: Duplicate VINs
*Bob Walczyk letter responding to my queries confirmed 8 duplicates
**PaceGuy has confirmed them.
***When MY VIN's are replaced with the following MY VIN's it skews the Production #'s as we know them.
It is my opinion the annual "regular" production numbers are incorrect (for our purposes, maybe not GM's)
for MY2003 (3361), MY2004 (10696) and MY2005 (7279). (To be dealt with another day).

The Signature Series
There were 25 official Signature Series SSRs.
The Signature Series have slight VIN differences and are not a part of the regular production VIN sequence.
64P vs 14P. The 6 indicates “special finish”.
B0 vs B1. The “0” indicates Signature Series and the “1” indicates regular Production.
Example:
1GCES64P93B000050 (Signature Series)
1GCES14P93B100050 (Regular Production)

The 2003 Indianapolis 500 PACE was not a Signature Series or Regular production.
It was an “Ex” VIN included in the 32 eta's below.
The backup Pace SSR was Signature #4 so it is already accounted for.
There was a third Pace vehicle built and is referred to as Signature #26.
I do not believe we have confirmed it having a waterfall badge stating it as such, but it is referred to as Sig #26 and does have a Signature VIN. Pace #26 and Wagoner #50 added to the Signatures.
There were a total of 25+2=27 Signature Series SSR’s.

The Beta Prototypes
There were 32 Beta prototypes (EX VINs) of varying degree of finish.
These were not and cannot be titled, and deemed non-saleable units.
The 2003 Official Indianapolis 500 Pace Truck is one of these (EX6959EP).
Others as well have played much less but still significant “public” roles and therefore must be included in the totals.

Total Numbers
So how many SSRs were built?
24,119 Regular Production
24,146 including 27 Signatures
24,178 total including 32 Beta’s

When anyone asks, just say
24,112!!!
It is a bit of a puzzle. Nice job deciphering it.

The official number I had on a letter from Bob W was 24180, so your 24178 number gets awfully close.

When someone asks, I tell them 24180.
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At the end of this month (well almost at the end) ...

I will have been telling people 24,112 for the last 5 yrs!
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At the end of this month (well almost at the end) ...

I will have been telling people 24,112 for the last 5 yrs!
I've been saying it too and even though I've said 24,180 others have said no your wrong Well now we know Thanks $ for the breakdown
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It is a bit of a puzzle. Nice job deciphering it.

The official number I had on a letter from Bob W was 24180, so your 24178 number gets awfully close.When someone asks, I tell them 24180.
And so who are you going to believe???
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At the end of this month (well almost at the end) ...

I will have been telling people 24,112 for the last 5 yrs!
I don't get down to the dines and nickles so I've always said "about 24,000".
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Do you know what the date was that production ended for MY 2004?
Almost.
I will say August 23, 2004.
The last MY2004 (#4B114086) was built 8/23/2004.
The first MY2005 (#5B114087) was built 8/24/2004.
My interpretation is the VIN is established at the time of the order and the BOD is established at the processing of the order. I believe the processing of the order is the day it comes off the assembly line.

The cutoff must based on the VIN.
The fact some MY2004's may have a Build Date later than 8/23/2004 does not alter the fact they have a MY2004 VIN.
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OK Cash-Got another question for ya!
Is is possible to get a breakdown of how many regular production units were built each year?
Would like to know if there was an average for each year or one certain year had more produced than others!
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Is is possible to get a breakdown of how many regular production units were built each year?
Would like to know if there was an average for each year or one certain year had more produced than others!
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Unless I am misinterpreting your question I believe the data you are looking for is in the PDF's at the beginning of the attached thread link below.
They are the numbers everyone has gone by to date and until proven otherwise, they are the best (and only) resource.
I have been unable to make them jive but thats just me.


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This has been bugging me for a long time.
I was not able to answer FanofSSR’s question with any degree of confidence because I have never been able to make the number 3416 for MY2003 Total Production work. I reviewed the numbers in the 2003-2006 Production thread, to determine how 3416 was arrived at, and here is the answer.

The last VIN in MY2003 is 1GCES14P03B103361 inferring there is 3361 Regular production MY2003’s.
As noted earlier #50 was removed so this leaves 3360 Regular Production VIN’s.

There were 3 early production MY2004’s in the MY2003 VIN sequence that have to be subtracted from MY2003 totals and added into the MY2004 totals. This leaves 3357 Regular Production MY2003’s.
Add to this the 27 Signatures (including back up Pace #26 & Wagoner #50) plus the 32 EX VIN’s and voila- 3416.

Recap:
3361 (last MY2003 VIN)
- 1 ---VIN 3B100050 removed as never built
3360
- 3 ---- (3 MY2004 early builds in the MY2003 sequence)
3357 Total Regular Production MY2003’s
+ 27 --- (25 Signature Series Plus Sig 26 & Sig 50)
3384
+ 32 --- Beta Prototypes (EX VIN's)
3416

For the record I have altered Post #1 a couple times and will continue to do so as I deem necessary.
The idea is to get this as factual as possible so people aren't reading conjecture.
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(25 Signature Series Plus Sig 26 & Sig 50)

For the record I have altered Post #1 a couple times and will continue to do so as I deem necessary.
The idea is to get this as factual as possible so people aren't reading conjecture.
Cash the #50 SSR (Rick Waggoner's SSR) had to be designated as a Signature Series SSR, in order to be able to trigger his UV color while it was in production. That was the only way they were able to get his SSR painted in the Ultra-Violet color. Other than the VIN # and the paint code Rick Wagoner's SSR was a regular SSR and not built as a Signature Series SSR.
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Cash the #50 SSR (Rick Waggoner's SSR) had to be designated as a Signature Series SSR, in order to be able to trigger his UV color while it was in production. That was the only way they were able to get his SSR painted in the Ultra-Violet color. Other than the VIN # and the paint code Rick Wagoner's SSR was a regular SSR and not built as a Signature Series SSR.
I realize that Marc. I usually try to refer to it differently.
The problem is I am constantly referring to some SSR's and it gets downright tiresome having to describe a vehicle with a complete paragraph every time it comes up. I am sure the people who wade through this don't want the extended version every time either. I realize sometimes I take it for granted everyone knows what I am referring to and don't take into account the novice reader.
Somebody should have told Wagoner it couldn't be done, got him an extra special Maaco custom paint job, and saved us all a lot of grief.
You only noted #50. Do you then consider #26 a Signature SSR? There are no notations on the build sheet indicating it is anything but a WD1-WD0, but I have not been able to determine for certain whether it is badged or not.
It isn't one of the "of 25" but there is a regular production #26, unlike #50.
Maybe #26 is another paragraph. "This is the 3rd ultra violet SSR that was built to emulate the original SSR Pace Truck built for the 87th running of the Indianapolis 500 yadayadayada". Or maybe just Backup Pace, except then need to add a paragraph clarifying which Pace Series.
#50 has an R6B RPO stating Special Order SSR. R6B normally states "End of Production Badging" which is not relevant to #50 obviously but does make reference to "badging". No such reference is made on #26.
Anyway, I do know #50 is not a Signature Series.
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One item I have never been able to track down is a photo of the waterfall badge on Rick Wagoner's UV #50.

It supposedly says Happy 50th Birthday, with the signatures of his three sons. There really is a fine line on this one between being a regular production truck and being a Signature Series.

It was assigned serial #000050 (not 100050) in recognition of his 50th birthday, but being a UV when 03 officially did not have any UVs except the Signatures, and having (supposedly) a one-off waterfall badge, it is easiest classified with an asterisk as Serial #50 with specs matching the Signature trucks.

Oddly, GM's official Production History does not show the 27 UVs (25 Signatures, plus #26 and #50) under US totals, only in the Total Production column.

I have also never seen a under-hood photo of Wagoner's UV - I wonder if having it triggered as a Signature Series to get it UV paint also got it the painted intake cover with the billet strips.

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Cash--Thanks for the link to the production numbers. I now know why we see so many 2004 trucks for sale! They built over 10,000 trucks for that year, and then we started seeing production slow down for the 05-06 models.
Do you happen to know who owns the last SSR produced in March of 2006? Does GM have it or was it sold to the public?
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Cash--Thanks for the link to the production numbers. I now know why we see so many 2004 trucks for sale! They built over 10,000 trucks for that year, and then we started seeing production slow down for the 05-06 models.
Do you happen to know who owns the last SSR produced in March of 2006? Does GM have it or was it sold to the public?
Thanks!!
#24112 is in GM Historical.
#24111 was an identical build sold by dealer auction and wound up in the Bob McDorman collection, a dealer in Ohio.
His collection is pretty much a museum too as he also has 4 Signature Series and possibly others.
He sold an Indy Festival (#4823) about a year ago but he doesn't seem to part with much.
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I saw him on Mecum about a year ago selling a few vehicles and one of them was a Redline Indianapolis Pace Truck. Maybe one day he just might sell the identical last production truck or even a signature!! I will keep watching Mecum when they mention they are selling some of Bob's collection!

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Old 07-21-2012, 01:57 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Numbers are fascinating but they can drive me nuts when I can't get them to work out!
After messing around with this for 3 years I believe I have finally come to balance the final total provided by GM of 24180 SSR's built. The key to it was finding, or rather, not finding #19000.
I am "almost" positive there never was an SSR VIN 1GCES14HX5B119000 built. GM cannot provide a build sheet, the CompNine VIN information database has no record of it, nor does CarFax have any history of it. I think it must have been a glitch and not just coincidental this was the last VIN before the 50 Daytona Parade vehicles were built.

I have modified Post #1 but this is the short version:

Regular production #50 & #19000 were never built
27 total MY2003 (25 MY2003 Signature Series + Pace 3 "Sig" #26 + Wagoner's #50)
8 duplicated VIN's (8 regular production MY2004 & 8 Early Build MY2005 shared the same last 5)
32 MY2003 EX VIN's
2 MY2004 EX VIN's
1 MY2005 EX VIN

24112 was the last of the consecutive VIN's
Minus 2 never built
24110 - Total regular production VIN's built
+ 8 duplicated VIN's = 24118 total reg production SSR's (not including Sig #26 & #50)
+ 2 MY2003 UV w/Signature style VIN's (#26 - Pace 3 and #50 - Rick Wagoners)
+ 25 MY2003 UV Signature Series
+ 32 MY2003 EX VIN's
+ 2 MY2004 EX VIN's
+ 1 MY2005 EX VIN
24180 Total!
Piece of cake!
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Old 07-21-2012, 03:00 PM   #28 (permalink)
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8 duplicated VIN's (8 regular production MY2004 & 8 Early Build MY2005 shared the same last 5)
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Piece of cake!
So that is why the dealer always wants the last 8 of the VIN. I am reading this to mean the VINs are the same except fot MY. Correct?
Thanks for all your work on this.
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