there wasn't that many running 456 gears, if any they had 410's. Its cool I was always a rule braker then a maker anyway. Just like riding never fear water rain, only means one thing, your ass is going to get wet...........
I'm gonna remind everyone that when I first proposed 4.56 gears after modeling the performance on my computer modeling software, back in the Spring of 2005, many people thought I was absolutely nuts.
My SSR: 2006 FPR 6 speed Silver w/ Blue Flames by Juan Perlata www.airkolors.com
Mines a 2006 6 speed with 4.56 gear (Thanks to the persuasion of Mr. Gnitecki's e-book) and I love it.
Not having my speedo calibrated really stinks though.
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Ok I have been researching this topic for a few days now and am really looking forward to getting the gear change to 4:56, my only question is in my 05 auto if I plan on buying diablo predator with the gear change will that fix the speedometer problem that everyone is talking about. Also where is a good place to buy them online because my brother inlaw will install it for me.
My SSR: 06 Aqua Blur, #158-23377, Born on 17 Feb.`06
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Originally Posted by Wolf
Ok I have been researching this topic for a few days now and am really looking forward to getting the gear change to 4:56, my only question is in my 05 auto if I plan on buying diablo predator with the gear change will that fix the speedometer problem that everyone is talking about. Also where is a good place to buy them online because my brother inlaw will install it for me.
Thanks
Well Wolfie, Superchips is working on the problem. They need an SSR to analyse and I think we almost have that worked out. Get your gears installed and give us about a month to get their act together. I promise, when it happens, The Fanatics will know it........Paul
Ok I have been researching this topic for a few days now and am really looking forward to getting the gear change to 4:56, my only question is in my 05 auto if I plan on buying diablo predator with the gear change will that fix the speedometer problem that everyone is talking about. Also where is a good place to buy them online because my brother inlaw will install it for me.
Thanks
NO diablo, superchips, HPtuners, will not be able to set the automatic's, with the LS2's speedometer. The ECM, TCM, will take the changes of the new gear ratio.
But its the BCM, that controls the speedometer, and they arn't reading each other.
There are a couple of companys claiming they can make the changes, and some on this site have had it done, and say it works,
but you need to send out your ECM,TCM, to them and they correct it. But one will lock your computer, and the other tells me they don't.
Also to be fair they both will install a perfomance tune at the same time..
Pasta MIKE.........
Last edited by Pasta Mike : 08-13-2007 at 02:28 PM.
Yeah I am getting ready to call and get the gears from strange tomorrow I think. I have never dealt with them but from all the posts they seem reasonable, any thoughts? I will get them installed then worry about fixing the speedo.
I followed Mike in AZ over to Redlands on Friday, and had him check my speedo on the road. He was running 84 MPH on cruise control (his has stock gears), and I was at 96 MPH.
Joe Delano (2005SSR6Speed) checked it on his HP tuner yesterday and played with it a little. He was able to adjust it 1 or 2 MPH, that's it. He also told me that it can't be set by anybody other than GM (if they would change the BCM settings) at this time (Joe, if I misquoted you, feel free to correct me). He suggested I buy a BCM from an '03-04 model and try to set it that way, which I'll try to get AZ TPI to do in August when the '06 is in getting a new cam .
While I don't care about the speedo being 10-12% fast, I DO care about the odometer registering that many more miles on it. If I can't get it down to 3-4 miles off, I'm putting 4.10's back in it.
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I followed Mike in AZ over to Redlands on Friday, and had him check my speedo on the road. He was running 84 MPH on cruise control (his has stock gears), and I was at 96 MPH.
Joe Delano (2005SSR6Speed) checked it on his HP tuner yesterday and played with it a little. He was able to adjust it 1 or 2 MPH, that's it. He also told me that it can't be set by anybody other than GM (if they would change the BCM settings) at this time (Joe, if I misquoted you, feel free to correct me). He suggested I buy a BCM from an '03-04 model and try to set it that way, which I'll try to get AZ TPI to do in August when the '06 is in getting a new cam .
While I don't care about the speedo being 10-12% fast, I DO care about the odometer registering that many more miles on it. If I can't get it down to 3-4 miles off, I'm putting 4.10's back in it.
My SSR: 2005 Black SSR with CUSTOM painted Flames VIN # 14110
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Originally Posted by Doug Allen
I followed Mike in AZ over to Redlands on Friday, and had him check my speedo on the road. He was running 84 MPH on cruise control (his has stock gears), and I was at 96 MPH.
Joe Delano (2005SSR6Speed) checked it on his HP tuner yesterday and played with it a little. He was able to adjust it 1 or 2 MPH, that's it. He also told me that it can't be set by anybody other than GM (if they would change the BCM settings) at this time (Joe, if I misquoted you, feel free to correct me). He suggested I buy a BCM from an '03-04 model and try to set it that way, which I'll try to get AZ TPI to do in August when the '06 is in getting a new cam .
While I don't care about the speedo being 10-12% fast, I DO care about the odometer registering that many more miles on it. If I can't get it down to 3-4 miles off, I'm putting 4.10's back in it.
Contact Bryan Herter at www.pcmforless.com for accurate speedometer calibration.
Also his Re-Calibration is EXCELLENT.
Located in PA. Prompt Turn Around.
I drove my 2005 SSR from Pittsburgh, Pa to Springfield MO total of 1,969 miles. Average of 20.35 mpg with A/C on and 300 lbs of cargo. Speeds of 75-80 mph.
I installed US Gear / Strange Engineering 4.56 Gear Set and
75W-140 Royal PurpleDifferential Fluid. This Reduced Fluid Temp. by 22 degrees
4:56 Gears are installed Love the drivability but make the drive shaft sing I may be out of the 4:56 club soon the shop gave me a out they said the GM branded gears form a 1990 SS silverado is the ticket to a quiet set up. any one.
My SSR: 2006 FPR 6 speed Silver w/ Blue Flames by Juan Perlata www.airkolors.com
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4:56 Gears are installed Love the drivability but make the drive shaft sing I may be out of the 4:56 club soon the shop gave me a out they said the GM branded gears form a 1990 SS silverado is the ticket to a quiet set up. any one.
That's what I understood and got mine, American Axle, who I'm told makes the OEM. They are totally quiet, no whine. J&S in Huntington Beach, CA is where alot of fanatics have gotten theirs, thanks to hdflstf. He recommended them and the price was way better than the dealer. Sorry to hear yours are noisy. I also know that having a good installer is impertive to a noiseless 4.56...
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4:56 Gears are installed Love the drivability but make the drive shaft sing I may be out of the 4:56 club soon the shop gave me a out they said the GM branded gears form a 1990 SS silverado is the ticket to a quiet set up. any one.
hot-rod: A driveshaft from Dennis Reinhart will eliminate that singing. The stock factory driveshaft is a "musical amplifier" that should be replaced for other reasons as well (durability, no tink, etc).
Well, I too, finally jumped into the deep end yesterday of the 4:56 pool and here's my opinions and observations:
1. First off, thanks to Greg Ducato for his modified servo. This mod alone SHOULD be done on any automatic! The difference from that sliiiiiiiiiding 1-2 shift to now is the best thing that can be done. Not to hard in a cruise mode, a resounding chirp when you're on it. Very nice~
2. Thanks to William (hibeams) for his info on the Strange Engineering Gears. The installation went exceptionally smooth. These gears are quiet, as promoted.
3. The DiabloSport tuner is a well thought out, easy to use item. This is my first foray into the "tuner" world. Coming from the old school where power was a direct correlation to cubic inches and cubic dollars, it's pretty neat to be able to tune a motor from the comfort of the drivers seat.
SO... is it a rocket now? Well, that depends on your definition~
The 5.3 in the 03-04's will never be a screamer in the normally aspirated form. There really is not enough low end torque to snap your neck, all sane gearing aside. And my Pirelli's are very sticky so the rubber patch police won't be writing me any major tickets soon. But, you really notice the difference when you get it up in the power band (3000 rpm and up). It is much more lively and I feel well worth the dollars spent. Especially now that I can get that 1-2 chirp which will actually bring on the traction control~
I probably should have installed a higher stall torque converter to take advantage of the power band. I'm used to eating my cake and having it too since I have a PAE Switch Pitch in my GP. Low stall is 1200 rpm- great for easy driving. Flip a switch and it goes to 3000 rpm high stall- great for launching a 4400 lb behemoth right in it's power band. This would be a very cool (and probably impossible) mod for the SSr since it too can have a the same kind of Jeckyll-Hyde personality.
Overall, I'm very satisfied with these mods and it's a great base for the future. Now where's that phone number to Magnuson???
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hot-rod: A driveshaft from Dennis Reinhart will eliminate that singing. The stock factory driveshaft is a "musical amplifier" that should be replaced for other reasons as well (durability, no tink, etc).
Jim G
Jim
Sorry but is fact that it wil help cure the ringing? both are aluminum. I hate to drop more money and not have it fixed.
Thanks
Tom: You raise a good point. Your posting reminded me that Dennis recently told me that he is now only able to offer the aluminum version, because his source for the metal matrix composite one is temporarily not available.
My comment that the noise is greatly attenuated should only be taken as applying to the MMC version, as that is the version I personally run on my own SSR.
Someone who has installed Dennis's ALUMINUM version please comment as to whether it is quieter than the factory one.
Regardless of noise level, I know that dennis's aluminum one and MMC one are both much higher quality than the GM factory one.
My SSR: 03 Redline Red,magna charger blower,Dyna Tech headers,Flowmaster American Thunder exhausts,Gears 456
I have had 4.56 for over almost two years was one of the first changes I made,but did not stop there although it was the best bang for the buck. Magna charger really did the trick along with Flow Master exhaust,Dyna-tech long headers,Competttion grind cam,vales & springs,heavy duty fly wheel & oil pump. Then the tranny would not handle all the horses so Pheonix tranny rebuilt along with a few others goodies. 4.56 is a staring place not the end.
My SSR: Silver on Black Final Prod 6 speed #23387, Signature #12, the Gibson Guitar Truck
I'm close to joining the New Gear" club, but some confusion exists. Reading some of the links to other gear threads, some comments are that the US Axle/Strange 4:56 gears are not available for the 6 speed. Same link has a post that American Axle no longer has a 4:56 gear set to fit the SSR.
1 - Whose 456 gear set is being used on the 6 speed?
2 - For those who have played with both the 456 and 410 gears, basic pros and cons of the two ratios. Is first still useable with the 4:56? I had planned to go with the 410 gears, but talked to Lyndon Wester this morning about driving over to his shop late September for a tune, and he's pretty strong on going to the 4:56 set. He indicates there's no problem recalibrating to the 4:56 set.
I don't use 5th much on the highway, and only put it in 6th occasionally to make sure it's still there, so not too concerned about that aspect of the 4:56.
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Final Production Silver on Black/chrome/6-speed #23387
My SSR: 2006 FPR 6 speed Silver w/ Blue Flames by Juan Perlata www.airkolors.com
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Originally Posted by Flassh
Same link has a post that American Axle no longer has a 4:56 gear set to fit the SSR.
1 - Whose 456 gear set is being used on the 6 speed?
2 - Is first still useable with the 4:56?
I don't use 5th much on the highway, and only put it in 6th occasionally to make sure it's still there, so not too concerned about that aspect of the 4:56.
1) Mine and several others are using American Axle 4:56... They were being made a couple of months ago...
2) Yes you still use 1st and you'll also be using 5th and even 6th with this gear. I rarely ever used 6th prior to this change.
Have fun!
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Had them for quite a while. and you are right makes a big difference, try putting in a 3000 stall converter and a westin tune changed the servo too seems pretty quick
I also installed headers and performance cats. and undersized pulleys
just can't seem to stop
KN cold air intake
changed the MAF also
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Me Too!
But, you really notice the difference when you get it up in the power band (3000 rpm and up). It is much more lively and I feel well worth the dollars spent. Especially now that I can get that 1-2 chirp which will actually bring on the traction control~ 
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