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Old 09-06-2006, 08:01 PM   #1 (permalink)
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Saturday I was out checking the fluids in my SSR and noticed that my clutch fluid reservoir was empty. While checking the owners manual it said that if it was low/empty that there was a leak. It is always parked on a concrete floor and I never notice any wet spots. I sure if it is leaking that it is done while i am driving it but i would think that it would still drip some. I have not noticed any difference in the way that the clutch feels. I went ahead and filled it back up, but now i am concerned. Has anyone else had this sort of problem? If there is a simple fix I would rather do it my self because i hate when someone else works on any of my vehicles.

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I hate when someone else works on any of my vehicles.

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I can't stand other people touching my cars also...but I would have that looked at ASAP.
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Old 09-06-2006, 08:29 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Saturday I was out checking the fluids in my SSR and noticed that my clutch fluid reservoir was empty. While checking the owners manual it said that if it was low/empty that there was a leak. It is always parked on a concrete floor and I never notice any wet spots. I sure if it is leaking that it is done while i am driving it but i would think that it would still drip some. I have not noticed any difference in the way that the clutch feels. I went ahead and filled it back up, but now i am concerned. Has anyone else had this sort of problem? If there is a simple fix I would rather do it my self because i hate when someone else works on any of my vehicles.

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I haven't gottem my Helms book yet and haven't crawled undeneath to see what configuration slave cylinder the SSR runs. If it's the "internal" slave cyclinder you may not see the leak immediately because it's leaking within the bellhousing. The turbulence in the housing from the rotating pressure plate can be throwing the fluid outward on the inside wall of the housing. There may be an inspection cover that will alow you to look in there. All of my manual shift vehicles that had hydraulic clutches used a external slave cylinder with the fork and the TO bearing at the other end. Everything that had fluid going to it was visible. On newer vehicles the TO bearing and slave cylinder are "almost" one unit buried within the bellhousing.

The one person I do know who had problems with this setup (not a SSR but another GM vehicle) eventually began having a slipping clutch and smelling it.
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The one person I do know who had problems with this setup (not a SSR but another GM vehicle) eventually began having a slipping clutch and smelling it.
Every once in a while i do smell the clutch, I thought i was just riding it a little extra taking off. I am 6'4" without my shoes, so I thought i wasnt getting my big foot off it in fast enough. Well it sounds like i better take a good look at it and take it to the dealer. My luck they wont find nothing since i already filled the reservoir. What a pain, i hope my dealer is open on saturday's, because that is the only time that i can drive it in there.

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OK you 6 spd guys. Noticed recently leakage on garage floor. I have a 05 6 spd. with 10,000 miles. Today I had a chance to put it up on the dealer hoist. Found evidence of trail down left front inner fender panel. Followed up to clutch resivour which I found empty. Refilled and on the road. Taking to my SSR dealer on Monday. Anybody had this problem and what was the fix???? Waiting.
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I don't have a fix, but I have some ideas about the fluid loss. It has been touched on that the fluid is overheating. In my case I think my fluid loss is due to overheating and going out the vent in the cap. Been to dealer 1 time to get them involved and the service tech moved the clutch fluid line further away from the exhaust and added a small piece of heat shielding near the bellhousing end of the line. This has not helped-I've used up 1-12oz. container of DOT 4 fluid in the past month for refill of clutch fluid reservoir. I'm going back to the dealer to see if something else can be done. I think a larger reservoir might help without a vented cap. I'm going to ask if a vented cap system is needed.
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I don't have a fix, but I have some ideas about the fluid loss. It has been touched on that the fluid is overheating. In my case I think my fluid loss is due to overheating and going out the vent in the cap. Been to dealer 1 time to get them involved and the service tech moved the clutch fluid line further away from the exhaust and added a small piece of heat shielding near the bellhousing end of the line. This has not helped-I've used up 1-12oz. container of DOT 4 fluid in the past month for refill of clutch fluid reservoir. I'm going back to the dealer to see if something else can be done. I think a larger reservoir might help without a vented cap. I'm going to ask if a vented cap system is needed.
I'm not sure why they used this type of cap on the SSR. I don't recall seeing this type on my 99 C5 and my friends 6 speed Camaro. The slave cylinder in the bellhousing can have a slight leak and you'll never know it unless they drop the tranny. I just turned 5K on my truck and I'm monitoring this closely. Other than the fluid getting dark I've had no issues. About how much clearance do you have between the head and the line?
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The service dept. had the SSR up in the air and allowed me to look under neath during his checks. I was surprised how close the line was to the head and exhaust as it was routed into the bellhousing area. The line was mostly covered with an insulating material, but within an inch of high heat areas. The fluid in the reservoir is hot to touch after driving to warmup temperature. Clutch works good, except for the fluid loss. Fluid loss has increased since I put DOT 4 in the reservoir. It is leaving a spot in my driveway.
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The service dept. had the SSR up in the air and allowed me to look under neath during his checks. I was surprised how close the line was to the head and exhaust as it was routed into the bellhousing area. The line was mostly covered with an insulating material, but within an inch of high heat areas. The fluid in the reservoir is hot to touch after driving to warmup temperature. Clutch works good, except for the fluid loss. Fluid loss has increased since I put DOT 4 in the reservoir. It is leaving a spot in my driveway.
Where's it leaking from? If you have a drip hanging from the bellhousing area or the bottom of the tranny it's your internal slave cylinder.

I've thought about buying some wrap and insulate my line a little better.
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The reservoir cap vent seems to be the primary leak spot. I'm not sure how the cap could be defective, but when I get in for service I'm going to ask about it. I went today and arranged a service appt. for next Monday . The mechanic that previously fixed my broken door handle told me today the cap has to be vented for atmospheric pressure changes. I don't see any signs of fluid on the bottom of the bellhousing. The rubber hose under the reservoir is getting a little gooey though. Service will have to look at that too.
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:05 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I've got just 1,000 miles on my new SSR with a 6-speed, and just noticed last night that fluid is leaking out of the vented fill cap for the clutch reservoir. Looks to be something I'll be paying close attention to as well. I'm anxious to see what you all find as a solution.
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Old 11-13-2006, 06:45 PM   #12 (permalink)
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See my long detailed post about my clutch ruining my trip a few months back. I think I started all this heated clutch hoopaloo...




My heat problem seems to have been fixed. My line was previously touching the exhaust; it is now about 1.25" away and shielded with some sort of metal heat wrap. My clutch only lost fluid once; I believe it was due to failure of the gasket in the cap back when my line was touching the exhaust and my pedal was sticking half way to the floor. Once I put the rubber seal back in the cap properly even back then when I had the heat issue I never lost fluid again; it just turned black right away. Now, my clutch fluid stays reasonably tan with no sediment.

If you're losing that much fluid, its not only a heat issue. Something is leaking somewhere besides the cap.


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See my long detailed post about my clutch ruining my trip a few months back. I think I started all this heated clutch hoopaloo...




My heat problem seems to have been fixed. My line was previously touching the exhaust; it is now about 1.25" away and shielded with some sort of metal heat wrap. My clutch only lost fluid once; I believe it was due to failure of the gasket in the cap back when my line was touching the exhaust and my pedal was sticking half way to the floor. Once I put the rubber seal back in the cap properly even back then when I had the heat issue I never lost fluid again; it just turned black right away. Now, my clutch fluid stays reasonably tan with no sediment.

If you're losing that much fluid, its not only a heat issue. Something is leaking somewhere besides the cap.


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ggoat...So did the dealer find that your truck did not install the shieiding at the factory? Or did they add some to ther areas of the line? I have it under thood just about where the line runs behind the head. However I never paid attention just how far down the line it goes. Do we need to be adding it to some other unprotected parts of the line?
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They added more shielding. My shielding stopped about 2 inches above the spot where the line touched the exhaust manifold. Its now pushed away from it and the shielding was applied all the way down to the junction on the hydraulic line. I haven't had any problems since.

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My hydraulic line from the master cyl. to the bellhousing connection was not touching the head or exhaust manifold, however it was within an inch or so. The line is also shielded to within 2 inches of the bellhousing.
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Went to dealer today about clutch fluid loss/pedal hanging up. Gave the service writer info corvetteulose provided from another thread concerning his case number 8803368 and master cylinder part number 15793835. Said they wanted to make some calls about it and get back to me. This is the third visit and I hope I'm trying to be patient and helpful.
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Dealer got back to me yesterday about the Clutch. They ordered the master cylinder part number I gave them and called to say part was in. This is the info from corvettulose. took 3 days to get it. SSR is going in Tuesday the 5th for install of new clutch master cyl.
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Old 12-06-2006, 08:58 PM   #18 (permalink)
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They had to keep it overnight to finish. Was put into an 07 Suburban until work was completed. They installed a new clutch master cyl. part #15793835, new fluid line from reservoir to master cyl., and new reservoir with cap. Drove it about 15 miles today after getting it back and so far clutch is good- no fluid leaks. I'm happy with the results of the repair, but more happy to get my SSR back to drive it-only 1 night but I missed it!
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