Clutch pedal stays to the floor?????

Guys, I just passed 600 miles on my 05 and wouned her up to 6000 rpm and quick shifted for some fun. Upon releasing the clutch pedal it failed to come off the floor till I quickly tapped again to release it! Kind of scary! Anybody else experience this? Fred

[pesos]

haven't had that happen - but i haven't had a chance to drive mine much yet :-( (stop already rain!!)

i DID have the following happen the night i bought it though:
i was driving down in 2nd gear about 10 mph, and all of a sudden the accelerator wasn't giving any gas to the engine. i pumped it and pumped it, and regardless of whether i was in gear or in neutral, the engine did not rev in the slightest. it was as if the fuel pump had just quit on me? I killed the engine, and turned it back on and everything was fine. gave me a scare for a minute though.

-Wes

[FUZZY]

Wes,
Had this happen to my 2002 ext cab GMC. Went to take off from the house after ashort warm up period, and when I put it in gear no gas pedal. Had to shut it off and restart. Ta dah, it was miraculously fixed. Haven had it happen again since (25,000 miles or so)
I did have one instance in my 03 where I was coming down an on ramp to the highway, kicked it into passing gear and had only engine response (engine reved up to about 45-4700 r's) ,but no forward motion. Had to release the pedal and press it again, but a little slower this time and all was well. Had the dealership check the trans on the computer which of course found no faults.Haven't had any recuring problems since then, no matter how hard it's driven.

[Bill Bogert]

Originally Posted by fredfryguy

Guys, I just passed 600 miles on my 05 and wouned her up to 6000 rpm and quick shifted for some fun. Upon releasing the clutch pedal it failed to come off the floor till I quickly tapped again to release it! Kind of scary! Anybody else experience this? Fred

I had a similar experience today. I have 1300 miles on my 2005 and wounded her up to 6000 rpm (cool!). Upon reaching 6th gear, I looked down at the gauges. The Torque gauge was resident at 350 and the outside temperature gauge was up to about 80 degrees while was in the forties????

I immediately knew something was wrong. My RPM's at this point were about 1500 and the temperature outside was in the mid forties. I pulled over... shut off the truck and started it back up again and everything went back to normal.

I have no idea what that was all about... has anyone experienced it?... solved it?

[beer100]

Originally Posted by Bill Bogert

I had a similar experience today. I have 1300 miles on my 2005 and wounded her up to 6000 rpm (cool!). Upon reaching 6th gear, I looked down at the gauges. The Torque gauge was resident at 350 and the outside temperature gauge was up to about 80 degrees while was in the forties????

I immediately knew something was wrong. My RPM's at this point were about 1500 and the temperature outside was in the mid forties. I pulled over... shut off the truck and started it back up again and everything went back to normal.

I have no idea what that was all about... has anyone experienced it?... solved it?

I've not seen that. Sounds like a soft.. errr.. firmware problem. Unless someone can reproduce it reliably. I predict it's going to be a pain to solve.

their motors to 6500 and shift fast?????????????????????

[hdflstf]

My clutch pedal was feeling a little tight and seemed to be sticking in general since I got my SSR Fri nite.
Drove to the LA Auto show this afternoon. No sweat until I got on the 10 and into stop and go traffic. At first the clutch pedal was sticky where a couple of positions it seemed to hang up briefly. As the traffic/stop and go continued the clutch gradually got worse until it starting staying on the floor even with my foot off the pedal. At this point I'm sure the drivers around me thought I couldn't drive a stick.. At one point I had to get my toes underneath the pedal and pull it up which made for an interesting launch in traffic. I fould that if I only depressed the pedal about half way (just far enough to change gears or start moving) it would work and not get stuck. By the time I got to the parking garage it was pretty much stucking any time I used it which made for some challenging driving on the uphill ramps when I had to stop then start again.
The drive home was better only because there was less traffic but the clutch was still sticking. I sure the cop next to me at the traffic light thought I was just baiting him - not sure I could have explained the clutch pedal to him but he just went on his way.
SSR is going in for service tomorrow for the clutch pedal. I sure hope they fine the problem.

The Arful Dodger

Hi Artful, Sorry to hear you are having the same problem. I have not returned to the deal yet as it only does it at higher rpm's and i haven't had the time. Please post what they find as this could be a serious safety issue with our cars. thanks a lot, Fred

Originally Posted by hdflstf

My clutch pedal was feeling a little tight and seemed to be sticking in general since I got my SSR Fri nite.
Drove to the LA Auto show this afternoon. No sweat until I got on the 10 and into stop and go traffic. At first the clutch pedal was sticky where a couple of positions it seemed to hang up briefly. As the traffic/stop and go continued the clutch gradually got worse until it starting staying on the floor even with my foot off the pedal. At this point I'm sure the drivers around me thought I couldn't drive a stick.. At one point I had to get my toes underneath the pedal and pull it up which made for an interesting launch in traffic. I fould that if I only depressed the pedal about half way (just far enough to change gears or start moving) it would work and not get stuck. By the time I got to the parking garage it was pretty much stucking any time I used it which made for some challenging driving on the uphill ramps when I had to stop then start again.
The drive home was better only because there was less traffic but the clutch was still sticking. I sure the cop next to me at the traffic light thought I was just baiting him - not sure I could have explained the clutch pedal to him but he just went on his way.
SSR is going in for service tomorrow for the clutch pedal. I sure hope they fine the problem.

The Arful Dodger

[joel]

Just a guess, but I'm surprised your cluth will disengage when pressed halfway down. Could be cluth adjustment free play is wrong causing the clutch to go over-center on depression.

[hdflstf]

Originally Posted by joel

Just a guess, but I'm surprised your cluth will disengage when pressed halfway down. Could be cluth adjustment free play is wrong causing the clutch to go over-center on depression.

No. If you depress the clutch slowly it will release about half way down (barely) and I have not measured but the is an approvimation only. Even if it were overcentering when fully depressed that still doesn't explain the same problem occuring when not fully depressed.

Also, drove it this morning and it worked fine. I suspect it's heat related like maybe a cast iron housing for the slave and or actuator and an aluminum piston. If the clearance is too tight it will freeze up as the piston expands faster than the housing. Should be evidenced by some scoring on the piston. It goes to the dealer this afternoon. I'll post the results when I get them.

The Artful Dodger

[Devil]

Originally Posted by pesos

haven't had that happen - but i haven't had a chance to drive mine much yet :-( (stop already rain!!)

i DID have the following happen the night i bought it though:
i was driving down in 2nd gear about 10 mph, and all of a sudden the accelerator wasn't giving any gas to the engine. i pumped it and pumped it, and regardless of whether i was in gear or in neutral, the engine did not rev in the slightest. it was as if the fuel pump had just quit on me? I killed the engine, and turned it back on and everything was fine. gave me a scare for a minute though.

-Wes

Could it be vapor lock?

[hdflstf]

Dropped the SSR off last night at the dealer to get the clutch fixed. They call me and told me they are replacing the slave and master cylinders for the clutch. Should be ready sometime tomorrow. I'll post a verdict when I get it back as well as some longer term thoughts as to it staying fixed or not.

The Artful Dodger

To get the clutch pedal looked at. Mine still will stay to the floor without my foot on it when I shift at higher RPM's. The dealer looked on GM's website but so far no service bulletins, I'll keep ya'all posted. Fred

Originally Posted by hdflstf

Dropped the SSR off last night at the dealer to get the clutch fixed. They call me and told me they are replacing the slave and master cylinders for the clutch. Should be ready sometime tomorrow. I'll post a verdict when I get it back as well as some longer term thoughts as to it staying fixed or not.

The Artful Dodger

[hdflstf]

Talked with the dealer today about the status of the SSR. They say the MC and slave are special order and it should be ready in 2 or 3 more days. These are thesame people that told me Tuesday that the parts were in stock in the L.A. warehouse and the SSR would be ready Tues eve or Wed morning.
I;m thinking of naming mine the hangar queen since it will have been in the service bay longer than in my driveway.

The Artful Dodger

[freezer]

I have no knowledge of what is really going on, but it sounds like there is friction in the physical clutch pedal system that is causing this. There is an overcenter spring in the system so that the effort to hold the clutch pedal down is reduced. This means there is less force pushing the pedal back up when it is fully depressed. If something is rubbing on the pedal or push rod parts or there is some pedal missalignment, then friction may cause this to happen. I would look on the pedal side of the hardware before working on the hydraulics.

[fiftiesnut]

It took 13 weeks to get a door panel that was damaged by my dealer and after an extensive conversation with them, they informed me that they were told that there is one major vendor for the parts. I don't know this to be the fact, but everyone I talk to about SSR's have to wait quite a while for parts. Even after 13 weeks the vendor sent the wrong part and my dealer had to take parts from a showroom car to fix mine. does anyone know if the rumor of most parts are coming from Italy is fact?

[41chevcoe]

Originally Posted by freezer

I have no knowledge of what is really going on, but it sounds like there is friction in the physical clutch pedal system that is causing this. There is an overcenter spring in the system so that the effort to hold the clutch pedal down is reduced. This means there is less force pushing the pedal back up when it is fully depressed. If something is rubbing on the pedal or push rod parts or there is some pedal missalignment, then friction may cause this to happen. I would look on the pedal side of the hardware before working on the hydraulics.

You are correct , there will not be enough resistance in the hydraulic system to hold the clutch pedal to the floor , as well as the linkage perhaps causing it , it maybe in the pressure plate itself or the clutch release bearing hanging up on the transmisson , most have reported the condition occurs when warm , again points to mechanical.

[freezer]

The only parts that come from Italy are the wheels and the wheel caps. The chrome wheels are made in Italy and chromed in Canada. Most all of the parts are made in the US. It should not take more than a week to get most of the production parts. Your dealer sounds like a real piece of work.

[hdflstf]

There is some potential good news though..
Talked to the service folks today. The ones that have had my SSR longer than me. They ordered a kit the contains 3 parts for the hydraulic clutch system. Of these, one has come in. The good news (sort of) is that the other two parts are coming direct from the manufacturer since they have changed the design (maybe fixed the problem?). They don't know when they will get the parts - maybe Monday although I'm not sure what week yet. More to follow when my SSR returns home. I'll be sure to take a saw with me to the dealer so I can cut off any roots that may have started growing.

The Artful Dodger

I finally got my 05 in for he XM install, oil change and look at the clutch. The problem happened to the service guy exactly like I described! I was afraid the problem wouldn't happen but it did. They did some research and they said if something was not lined up at the factory it would have to be replaced and relined up. They ordered parts and they'll call me when there in. I'll keep ya posted....Fred

[hdflstf]

Dealer service guy says the 'new' pressure plate doesn't even have a GM part number yet and is coming from the manufacturer. Either the MC or slave (not sure which one yet) for the clutch was the same story. Supposedly he was to have all the parts in this evening. Sounds like there is some type of problem and the parts have been re-designed. I hope tomorrow is the tomorrow I can get my SSR back so I can see if the problem has been fixed or not.

[HD-Fatboy]

Are they going to make your monthly payment?

[hdflstf]

Left work a little early so I could get my SSR back with the sticking clutch problem fixed. Had talked with the dealer and they had test driven it and said the clutch was working fine. While at the dealer I tried to get some info from parts and return the loaner car - no joy on either. They test drove the SSR again after it was warmed up and the sticking clutch was not fixed even though they had new re-designed parts from the vendors put in. So I go back home in the loaner car park it if front of the house and watch one of the tires go flat - perfect.

To say I'm pissed right now would be an understatement.They say they will talk with GM technical and engineering folks next week - again - about the problem. At this point no one has any idea of what the problem is or how soon they can fix it.

[Axiom]

Ouch!! What a major pain!!
Hope at least your weekend will provide some relief...

Hope they figure this out, so this can help others, but also so your SSR can be given a real name So sorry she's been out of reach!!

[41chevcoe]

Might have to call in a Car Scientist

[shiftz33]

I might suggest you call GM and open a customer complaint on this issue now. I did this a couple of times with my 03 SSR and it "helped" a little. The service manager claimed it would help get pressure from the customer side of the issue to hopefully get the "right" attention inside of GM if both the customer and the service manager were requesting assistance.

At one point GM stated they approved a "SSR specialist" to be sent out to look at my SSR. What they did send (if I can believe the service manager???) is simply the regional rep that had SOME SSR training. The guy could not fix a darn thing. In fact the one thing he claimed he fixed (and spent several hours on) occurred again as soon as I drove the SSR off of the lot.

I understand EXACTLY the frustration you're feeling right now and I know how bad that must be making you feel. Seeing your SSR sitting inside of the service bay as you drive away hurts bad. My 03 SSR turned into 3 months of driving away with it in the service bay.

I SINCERELY hope that does not happen in your case. I have to believe GM can get a "simple" clutch/pressure plate/bearing/master-slave setup working as it should.

[hdflstf]

Originally Posted by shiftz33

I might suggest you call GM and open a customer complaint on this issue now. I did this a couple of times with my 03 SSR and it "helped" a little. The service manager claimed it would help get pressure from the customer side of the issue to hopefully get the "right" attention inside of GM if both the customer and the service manager were requesting assistance.

At one point GM stated they approved a "SSR specialist" to be sent out to look at my SSR. What they did send (if I can believe the service manager???) is simply the regional rep that had SOME SSR training. The guy could not fix a darn thing. In fact the one thing he claimed he fixed (and spent several hours on) occurred again as soon as I drove the SSR off of the lot.

I understand EXACTLY the frustration you're feeling right now and I know how bad that must be making you feel. Seeing your SSR sitting inside of the service bay as you drive away hurts bad. My 03 SSR turned into 3 months of driving away with it in the service bay.

I SINCERELY hope that does not happen in your case. I have to believe GM can get a "simple" clutch/pressure plate/bearing/master-slave setup working as it should.

Thanks for the info. I did actually file a complaint as soon as I got back from the dealer. They called the dealer service guy and some other folks for assistance. I figure, at best, the technical and engineering types will look into the problem more next week and have another potential solution by the end of the week. Then another week or two for the parts to arrive and be installed. At this point all I can do is wait and see. If it gets anywhere close to three months I think I'll just get a refund under the CA lemon law.

[shiftz33]

One other suggestion is to make sure you get a new repair order opened and closed each time you to it back for any issue. That will be helpful to document the number of times out of service and for how long. The original service manager (that was later fired) tried to get one service repair open for everything on my SSR. I refused to let him do that, but he still tried again after telling me he wouldn't do that anymore. CA lemon law also takes into account the number of miles driven.

They would give me back my SSR and state, we're researching the issues. So, each day that I drove the SSR I was decreasing my potential refund value.

That's why after three months of taking my SSR in/out of the service department I had enough. The lemon law process is not quick, so once again miles driven keeps decreasing my refund amount. That's why I decided to trade my SSR in back in 9/04 and I recieved $35K trade-in.

Just remember....document...document...document to protect yourself.

[hdflstf]

The dealer has been talking with GM for a fix but no one has any idea of how to fix the clutch. Maybe some of you GM insiders can find out what's going on "in house"?

Thanks

[HD-Fatboy]

I found this link, you may want to try it. Might light a fire under someone to correct the issue.

http://www.chevrolet.com/contactus/emailus/index.jsp