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Old 11-20-2012, 06:55 AM   #1 (permalink)
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"Free" repair - ABS and speedometer, etc

I would like to offer my services to anyone that needs it. My only requirement is that you pay shipping both ways and for needed parts if required. Insurance might be a good idea due to the nature of the items but it's up to you. I will try to do a one day turn around depending on my schedule and the type of return shipping you desire. I have repaired many million dollar electronic systems during my career and hold a few certifications for soldering and thought this would be a good way to return a little to the community that I have been a part of for many years. I am not sure how long I will provide this service, I am doing this in my spare time, so if something comes up that demands more of my time then I will retract it. If this message is still here then I am still offering the service.

Some of the failures associated with ABS units are solder joints on the relay and other joints on the board. Most if not all speedometer issues are related to the stepper motors. Both of these issues are well documented as common failure points and require soldering or component replacement that although can be done at home may not be practical for some people to accomplish.

ABS - Please try this Service Bulletin repair FIRST if you have an ABS EBCM issue. http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/954950-post15.html If you want me to check the board and resolder the joints I will do that and return it to you, all I ask in return is return shipping and sealant cost. I have resoldered/repaired about 2 dozen units so far and 100% of them have worked fine. I am pretty sure that the issue is related to cold solder joints and not heat related. If it were heat related then the bad joints would not always be the same group of 12 that I repair to fix the issue. If my work does not correct your problem then there are many companies around the US that will replace components on the board for you. Just do a Google for "ABS module repair" or something similar and you will find a bunch. Costs are anywhere from $60 on up. Also please note that the vehicle can still be driven when the module is removed for repair, you just will not have the ABS function.

Speedometer - If anyone wants to get new needles, repair lights, faceplace color change or repair a non working or intermittent servos I will provide that service as well. You supply the parts and I will do the work. Stepper motors are about $25 on EBay, new needles are $20-$45. You'll have to remove the speedometer, there are many threads here discussing that procedure, please do a search.

Lights - If you have a shift module or steering wheel controls that have burnt out lights (window, traction control, locks) I can repair those as well. I will not do light conversions (changing colors) because of issues like, brightness, evenness, useability, etc......

I've also included some How To instructions so you can repair your own parts:
Steering Light Repair - How To
Shift Console Light Repair - HOW TO

If you have any questions please let me know, I will provide contact information via PM.

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I would like to offer my services to anyone that needs it. My only requirement is that you pay shipping both ways and for needed parts if required. Insurance might be a good idea due to the nature of the items but it's up to you. I will not be held responsible for any issues that arise out of this offer and your willingness to participate is an agreement to this fact. I will try to do a one day turn around depending on my schedule and the type of return shipping you desire. I have repaired many electronic systems in my career and have a few certifications for soldering and thought this would be a good way to return a little to the community that I have been a part of for many years. I am not sure how long I will provide this service, I am doing this in my spare time, so if something comes up that demands more of my time then I will retract it. If this message is still here then I am still offering the service.

Some of the failures associated with ABS units are solder joints on the relay and other joints on the board. Most if not all speedometer issues are related to the stepper motors. Both of these issues are well documented as common failure points and require soldering or component replacement that although can be done at home may not be practical for some people to accomplish.

ABS - If you want me to check the board and resolder the joints I will do that and return to you. At this time we do not know how many boards are actually failing due to solder joints or hard components so this offer is not guaranteed or has any specific data to suggest it's outcome. I will track it and try to provide data at a later time. If my work does not correct the issue then there is a service that will replace components on the board for you. Dicktator has found a company that a few have used and had good results from: ABS Solution

Speedometer - If anyone wants to get new needles, repair lights, faceplace color change or repair a non working or intermittent servos I will provide that service as well. You supply the parts and I will do the work. Stepper motors are about $25 on EBay, new needles are $20-$45. You'll have to remove the speedometer, there are many threads here discussing that procedure, please do a search.

Lights - If you have a shift module that has burnt out lights (window, traction control, locks) I can probably repair those as well. I need to get some part numbers, when I do I will update this post. I will not do light conversions (changing colors) because of issues like, brightness, evenness, useability, etc......

If you have any questions please let me know, I will provide contact information via PM.
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What an exceptionally generous offer, Dragon . . .

By the way, where were you about two years ago when mine croaked?
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Old 11-20-2012, 06:18 PM   #6 (permalink)
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By the way, where were you about two years ago when mine croaked?
I was right here, all you needed to do was ask

Seriously though, I had suspicions that it could be done but until VMAX posted his repair success the other day I wasn't sure if this was a similar issue with resoldering the joints or not.
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I agree with DOOPHUS, this is exceptionally generous offer. May I suggest putting this thread somewhere where we can find it or highlight it or......
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I found the following on E-Bay and I am fairly handy at DIY stuff. You think this would work me?

GM Instrument cluster Gauge / Speedometer REPAIR KIT rebuild x27 168 x25
I think you linked to a complete "kit" with soldering iron end everything. I personally would just run over to Radio Shack or Walmart and get my own soldering iron and misc items.

Yes, if you are decent with a soldering iron the repair is fairly straight forward. The most time consuming part is taking apart the dash, but I have done that so many times it's the fastest part for me now

The new stepper motors have a part number of x25.168 but as far as who to buy them from is really hard to say. I bought mine off EBay, but there are quite a few different variations out there. I suspect that the black cased ones are generic as they do not have the same markings as the white ones and are cheaper. I would stick with the white case and make sure you buy them from a reputable seller.

I have never bought from this US seller but the items seem to be of quality and you get some spare bulbs as well.
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OK... Thank you. I will give it a go...

and then send it to you to fix if I mess it up....
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OK... Thank you. I will give it a go...

and then send it to you to fix if I mess it up....


There are quite a few Youtube videos on doing the swap. One thing to remember is the needle position for calibration when you reinstall.

First you need to get some tape so you can mark the "0" set point. Place tape under the needle near the "0" mark for each needle. Then, very gently, move each needle counter clockwise until it stops. DO NOT put more pressure on it than needed to stop or the calibration will be off when you reinstall. Mark the tape where the needle sits so you know where to reinstall them.

There is a special tool made to take them off but you can use a fork or a plastic pry tool to lift straight up, they just pop off and push back on.

When you reinstall them, push the needle onto the center post, then move them counterclockwise until the needle lines up with the previous marks. If you move them too far just keep going around and do it again.

Soldering ..... well, that I cannot help you with long distance, just be careful not to put too much heat on the joints and lift a trace. I can repair it if you do, just makes it a little harder.

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Thanks again, Dragon. I will order the steppers and pull it out to have a look. If I don't think I can handle it, I will be touch.
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Thanks Mike.

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Lights - If you have a shift module that has burnt out lights (window, traction control, locks) I can probably repair those as well. I need to get some part numbers, when I do I will update this post. I will not do light conversions (changing colors) because of issues like, brightness, evenness, useability, etc......
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Did you ever find the part numbers for window & traction control lights
I have 2 burnt out & would like to fix them
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I have 2 burnt out & would like to fix them
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Well, they can be replaced but I have no idea what the part number would be. The only way to get one close would be to use a light meter on them to measure the output and get a similar one. They are a simple 1/4 twist base with the lamps soldered into the base.

The lamps have a blue cover to make the yellowish glow more white. The best bet would be to get a bright LED bulb and use that as a replacement for all the bulbs to make all the switches have an equal brilliance.

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Well, if you want to experiment, these are likely very close to what is in there now. Just unsolder the bad ones and pull off the blue cover, insert, trim and solder the leads and use the blue cover and you should be good. Might find them cheaper somewhere, just don't know were yet.

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I did not see this post until today.

I may take you up on your very generous offer for the ABS.
I have to have my truck towed to my mechanic to get the shift cable fixed and I guess I will have him remove the ABS module while it's there.


please PM your information to me.


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What an exceptionally generous offer, Dragon . . .

By the way, where were you about two years ago when mine croaked?
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I was right here, all you needed to do was ask

Seriously though, I had suspicions that it could be done but until VMAX posted his repair success the other day I wasn't sure if this was a similar issue with resoldering the joints or not.
Just a little additional FYI, Dragon . . .

A couple weeks ago, the bill to replace The Doophus's gauge module at Watson Chevrolet (they only replace the entire module, not the individual steppers) was a whopping $1485.00 plus tax.

Thank Goodness for the GMPP, otherwise the round trip drive to Georgia would have been less expensive and I would not have lost the yellow faceplate.

Once again . . . EXCEPTIONALLY GENEROUS OFFER.
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Really nice of you!!
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Dragon2U, I sent a pm on needing ABS EBCM repair.

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I replaced the EBCM unit after Dragon's repair and so far so good, no Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding-Ding ------

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Thanks for all your help.

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Great news Don, you're more than welcome, sure hope the fix continues to keep you on the road for several more years!!!!
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I would like to offer my services to anyone that needs it. My only requirement is that you pay shipping both ways and for needed parts if required. Insurance might be a good idea due to the nature of the items but it's up to you. I will try to do a one day turn around depending on my schedule and the type of return shipping you desire. I have repaired many million dollar electronic systems during my career and hold a few certifications for soldering and thought this would be a good way to return a little to the community that I have been a part of for many years. I am not sure how long I will provide this service, I am doing this in my spare time, so if something comes up that demands more of my time then I will retract it. If this message is still here then I am still offering the service.

Some of the failures associated with ABS units are solder joints on the relay and other joints on the board. Most if not all speedometer issues are related to the stepper motors. Both of these issues are well documented as common failure points and require soldering or component replacement that although can be done at home may not be practical for some people to accomplish.

ABS - Please try this Service Bulletin repair FIRST if you have an ABS EBCM issue. http://www.ssrfanatic.com/forum/954950-post15.html If you want me to check the board and resolder the joints I will do that and return it to you. At this time we do not know how many boards are actually failing due to solder joints or hard components so this offer is not guaranteed or has any specific data to suggest it's outcome. I will track it and try to provide data at a later time. If my work does not correct the issue then there are companies around the US that will replace components on the board for you. Just do a Google for "ABS module repair" or something similar and you will find a bunch. Costs are anywhere from $60 on up. Also please note that the vehicle can still be driven when the module is removed for repair, you just will not have the ABS function.

Speedometer - If anyone wants to get new needles, repair lights, faceplace color change or repair a non working or intermittent servos I will provide that service as well. You supply the parts and I will do the work. Stepper motors are about $25 on EBay, new needles are $20-$45. You'll have to remove the speedometer, there are many threads here discussing that procedure, please do a search.

Lights - If you have a shift module or steering wheel controls that have burnt out lights (window, traction control, locks) I can repair those as well. I will not do light conversions (changing colors) because of issues like, brightness, evenness, useability, etc......

I've also included some How To instructions so you can repair your own parts:
Steering Light Repair - How To
Shift Console Light Repair - HOW TO

If you have any questions please let me know, I will provide contact information via PM.
Took your advise and sent ABS module to Idaho for repair. They did a great job with upgrades also. That was a month ago. Since then we took an AZ to Lindsborg, KS ride to a wedding.
A couple of days ago I had someone pull a lefty on me and those ABS brakes saved the day!
Oh yes, I installed AZ Mike's heat shield also.

Thx, Mike Pastori

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