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Old 06-28-2006, 02:18 PM   #1 (permalink)
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The leak from Hell has finally met its match!

As some of you know, Black Betty got bumped in a parking lot and is getting repaired. While in there they are also repairing the roof scuff from my hydraulic lines scraping the roof. I tied em back but they still came back to haunt me. they also have to fix, for the fourth time, the leak that is sending water under the dash and onto the floor on the passenger side. They finally took my suggestion (actually it was a demand by now) to send it to a very good specialist in this type of thing. They are Walt's Water Works on Witchduck road in Va. Bch. I should have her back soon and I will post the details of exactly just what they did to fix the problem and I am pretty confident they can fix it. I think the infamous leak may be gone for good this time.
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Driving in the rain to and from Ruidoso I found a drip leak in my SSR, where the top fits together at the rear of the window is a metal piece with a screw in it. The water dripped in on both the passenger and drivers side. At least it was consistent
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They have had it all week and still no indication of when I will get her back! If they keep it over the 4th of July that will really stink....
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Good News, I got Black Betty back today. Bad news. The leak is not fixed. If they had only done what I had suggested they would know that the problem was not solved. As usual, I picked her up and she was filthy, unlike how I dropped her off. Once home, I washed her and the pulled around the culdesac and sure enough, water came out from under the dash. They said they fixed something under the firewall where wires were and re-sealed the rubber at the windshield where the top meets but no go. Also, what really got me ticked off was the center bolt that holds on the rear facia was totally about to come off and super loose. Fortuneately I noticed it and tightened it up. The paint repair has overspray of the clear coat in an area that was not damaged and is totally dull. I will rub it out myself. Enough of this customer service. I suggest you all find a good mechanic and body shop person. The dealerships are worthless.
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Ed, I have no good information for you, but it seems like to me that your leak is associated with how the HVAC unit fits to the plenum and the front of dash. This is a guess on my part, there is not really anything else that could give you that much water. Good Luck!
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Thanks Freezer. I will check that out myself. Greatly appreciate your feedback as usual.
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As some of you know, Black Betty got bumped in a parking lot and is getting repaired. While in there they are also repairing the roof scuff from my hydraulic lines scraping the roof. I tied em back but they still came back to haunt me. they also have to fix, for the fourth time, the leak that is sending water under the dash and onto the floor on the passenger side. They finally took my suggestion (actually it was a demand by now) to send it to a very good specialist in this type of thing. They are Walt's Water Works on Witchduck road in Va. Bch. I should have her back soon and I will post the details of exactly just what they did to fix the problem and I am pretty confident they can fix it. I think the infamous leak may be gone for good this time.
I wrapped the lines with a piece of velcro (the soft side) to stop the roof scuff and that seems to be working.
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Freezer, once again thank you. You are absolutely correct about the HVAC being the source of the problem. The "Experts" at Walts Water Works have worked on a few other SSR's and they all appear to leak at the seal where the HVAC Box mounts to the firewall. They said the design of the seal leaves something to be desired, but they will fix it wednesday. Hope this helps others that have or will have leaks.

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I wrapped the lines with a piece of velcro (the soft side) to stop the roof scuff and that seems to be working.
When Dale was visiting with me in Niagara Falls we talked about that issue. I had shown him where his problem was occuring. I too have some small scuff marks on my side roof panel which I tried bending the plastic line back in. It seems to be working so far but I might have to try something else if it continues to scuff up my roof.

I have another friend who owns a early 04 Redline who also exhibits the same scuffing on his passenger side roof line. It must be a common issue perhaps freezer or someone else has an eazy remedy for that issue.
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Marc: The lines no longer scuff and they did rub them out pretty well to my satisfaction and that says a lot as picky as I am. I found that the twist ties were actually rotating and scuffing the paint so I wrapped them up and it seems to be just fine. Put electrical tape around them.

The main issue is that nasty leak around the HVAC box. Once that is fixed I will let ya'll know just what the guys at Water Works Did. Fixing leaky vehicles is all this company does and they come highly recommended from many sources loacally. They said they will definately be able to fix er up this week after the holiday.
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I got my SSR back from Water Works, again, today. I had to take it back because she was still leaking. They found a few reasons why they leak. One, the area on the passenger side just above the wiper motor is a huge space where they had to fabricate some metal and goop over the top of the motor so that the water would not fall back into it. The other area is in the center of the Cowl directly under the wiper on the drivers side. At this area is a vertical cylinder made of very thin rubber. When it gets cloged up, which is easy to do, the water pools in this area and then when I made sharp left turns after rain or washing the car, the water sloshed over to the area on the passenger side, into that weep hole area, and over top of the wiper motor and under the dash. It ain't pretty, but the plastic cover over the cowl area makes it so you won't see this mess, but the bottom line is it is fixed and under the plastic cover when done. Hope this helps you all with your probs. a bit.

By the way, that little cylinder of rubber can be felt if you reach up under the center of the cowl area by the driver's side wiper where it attaches to the cowl area. If you pour water into where the wiper is, it should drain out that little tube. If it does not, then clean her out man!

They also told me that on certain Fords they have worked on there was a similar problem, only the water got onto a major computer component and the trucks actually started on their own in the rain without a key or anything.....kind of like the book by Steven King, "Christine". They also said there were 45 TSB's on the new Pontiac Solstice regarding leaks.
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... They also told me that on certain Fords they have worked on there was a similar problem, only the water got onto a major computer component and the trucks actually started on their own in the rain without a key or anything.....kind of like the book by Steven King, "Christine". They also said there were 45 TSB's on the new Pontiac Solstice regarding leaks.
Glad it is finally over for you Ed!

BTW: I am sure glad it doesn't start up on you like those Fords did or that we have 45 TSB's on water leakes like the Solstices on our SSRs.
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I have discovered when I was my That I find water pooling in the drivers side wiper area see link. Is this simular to what you are talking about? Mine isn't leaking yet.......

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Good News, I got Black Betty back today. Bad news. The leak is not fixed. If they had only done what I had suggested they would know that the problem was not solved. As usual, I picked her up and she was filthy, unlike how I dropped her off. Once home, I washed her and the pulled around the culdesac and sure enough, water came out from under the dash. They said they fixed something under the firewall where wires were and re-sealed the rubber at the windshield where the top meets but no go. Also, what really got me ticked off was the center bolt that holds on the rear facia was totally about to come off and super loose. Fortuneately I noticed it and tightened it up. The paint repair has overspray of the clear coat in an area that was not damaged and is totally dull. I will rub it out myself. Enough of this customer service. I suggest you all find a good mechanic and body shop person. The dealerships are worthless.
I HAVE NEVER ""NEVER"" HAD A SMOOTH DEALERSHIP FIX! EVERYTHING FROM LEAKY TARGA TOPS ON CORVETTES TO AS SIMPLE AS REPLACING ASHTRAYS! I LOVE CHEVY PRODUCTS, HOWEVER THE SERVICE AT THE DEALERSHIPS HAS ALWAYS BEEN HORRIBLE. I HAVE HAD SIX CORVETTES AND ONE SSR. WHY IS THIS?
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I HAVE NEVER ""NEVER"" HAD A SMOOTH DEALERSHIP FIX! EVERYTHING FROM LEAKY TARGA TOPS ON CORVETTES TO AS SIMPLE AS REPLACING ASHTRAYS! I LOVE CHEVY PRODUCTS, HOWEVER THE SERVICE AT THE DEALERSHIPS HAS ALWAYS BEEN HORRIBLE. I HAVE HAD SIX CORVETTES AND ONE SSR. WHY IS THIS?

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Yes BigJim, the water tends to pool there, especially if that little rubber cylinder under the center of the firewall directly under the wipers is clogged. It will slosh over to the passenger side and then go over the wiper motor and come out under the dash on the passenger side. This is why they fabricated a large piece of sheet metal and gooped it up with that black stuff so the water will drain out where it is supposed to and not under the dash. You can reach that little rubber piece by lifting up the hood, and then feel around the center of the dash area until you feel the rubber cylinder. Poor water in from up top. If water comes out the little rubber cylinder, it is not clogged. If she pools up, then you have to clean the little bugger out. I used an air hose from up above and that blew the junk right out of there.
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There are also rubber flapper valves at either end of the plenum. As you corner the water should also flow out each side. If you get a huge amount of water, it should also flow out the sides. The duckbill that Ed describes takes care of the low point in the plenum.
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I had both sides up front and in the bed of the SSR with water issues. I mean puddles up front. To the dealer I go again. They told me its blowback? Comes in where the top goes down inside, doesn't drain, blows back up through the sillplates to the floors up front. I don't know if I believe this for the mear fact that I hadn't driven it since it had rained on it that time. Water does gather in that area (which I think it shouldn't) because there are wires in there. Once again, I think the dealer has no idea what to say or do for us. I have an 04 and this has happened to me 2x since i have purchased the SSR new. I think the dealer adjusted the wing and bed cover to try to fix the problem also. I got in my SSR one time and it looked like someone had washed my truck and left the windows down! The inside or my front windshield was dripping water, then I noticed the floor on both sides, the bed. It happens out of the blue. It goes so long no problems, then WHAM!
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I had both sides up front and in the bed of the SSR with water issues. I mean puddles up front. To the dealer I go again. They told me its blowback? Comes in where the top goes down inside, doesn't drain, blows back up through the sillplates to the floors up front. I don't know if I believe this for the mear fact that I hadn't driven it since it had rained on it that time. Water does gather in that area (which I think it shouldn't) because there are wires in there. Once again, I think the dealer has no idea what to say or do for us. I have an 04 and this has happened to me 2x since i have purchased the SSR new. I think the dealer adjusted the wing and bed cover to try to fix the problem also. I got in my SSR one time and it looked like someone had washed my truck and left the windows down! The inside or my front windshield was dripping water, then I noticed the floor on both sides, the bed. It happens out of the blue. It goes so long no problems, then WHAM!
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cruzned's leak isn't lost, I've got it...

Awhile back, whenever I'd get in my truck, I'd get a whiff of mildew. I'd take a big sniff, and nothing, just that first hint. I couldn't find anything wet, but It's been a really wet spring so maybe condensation some place like inside the door. Have to check it out when the weather breaks.

Last week, after a heavy overnight rain, there's a half inch of water on top of the passenger side carpet. I know with that much on top, it must be a swamp underneath. Being a molded carpet, you just can't fold it back and peek under there.

I pulled the carpet retainer that runs along the sill next to the seat, and the kick panel under the dash. Yes a swamp, fortunately no alligators, so I vacuumed out the standing water, but trying to suck the water out of the carpet pad started to pull the pad apart. After a little trial, and a lot of error, I found the pad could be pulled out from under the rug. The rubber backed rug is fairly easy to dry, with the pad gone.

Of course I came to this thread right away, also this thread, where Dictator mentioned weep holes. Armed with this information I pulled the wiper arms, and the plastic cowl cover under the hood.

The first thing I found was I couldn't the find rubber duckbill drain in the center of the cowl, by the passenger side wiper post. Pulled the steel plate that covers half the cowl and mounts both wiper posts, and guess what, no rubber drain. What I have is, where the cowl butts up against the firewall, there is a small V shaped kink stamped into the cowl to provide drainage.
Then I realized cruzned and Dicktator have early trucks and mine is an '06. Must have changed that drain when they revamped for the 6-spd.

I made sure that drain was open and the drains at the driver's end of the cowl were clean. Dicktator mentioned drilling out weep holes, but mine has big openings, more like a Roman bridge.

On the passenger side, looking passed the wiper motor toward the drains, I saw leaves... lots of leaves. Disconnected the wiper arm linkage from the wiper transmission, and pulled the transmission/motor as a unit... (unplug the wires).
I got a few handfuls of leaves out, then duct taped a length of heater hose to the shop-vac hose, and fished it in to get the rest. Again, large drain arches like the other side, but it was a lot of leaves.
The four fastener pockets in the plastic cowl cover have large drain slots, large enough for a good size leaf to get through. Since the heater-A/C fan pulls air across the cowl through the linkage tunnel, the leaves go that way.
I covered those four slots with fiberglass screen, RTV'd to the back side. The air holes in the drivers side of the plastic cowl cover really aren't big enough to be a problem.

Got it all back together, putting an aluminum shield over part of the wiper motor/transmission well, because I can picture in a heavy rain, with the fan on high (defrosters), where water coming off the lip could get sucked into the fan.

Poured a couple of buckets of water through it, no problem.
Friday night's rain... water on the floor.
Guess I'll have to tear the dash apart.
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Bruce:

Recently, puddles of water began appearing in the passenger floorboard of my SSR (2003) during rainstorms. My SSR is my daily driver and I was convinced the water was coming in from under the car when I was moving; I was wrong. I parked it outside bone dry one evening a few weeks ago and, after sitting still during a rainstorm that night, the carpet was soaked again.

The wiper arms are not easy to remove but I improvised with a C-clamp to get them off and pulled the cowl cover. Like you, I was unable to find the "thin rubber tube." I then spent a half hour with a garden hose running water through the cowl but I could not make the car leak. But, next rainstorm, the passenger floor was wet.

Last Friday I took the car to a local dealer for the first time -- a dealer I haven't had back luck with (yet). They phoned me saying it was the seals where the top meets the windshield. I told them I am sceptical but they guaranteed a fix, so I told them to go for it. They will keep the car indoors for a week while they wait for new parts to arrive.

Please keep updating the thread with your progress and I'll do the same. Perhaps someone can identify the problem before you pull your dash apart.

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Jim, same problem, water coming in overnight when it rains.
I've been looking through the manuals, and barring body damage, there's only four paths, four seals, through the firewall/cowl, on the passenger side.

1- The air plenum seal. I doubt this is the culprit because it's up so high, and protected, especially after I worked on the cowl area.

2- The seal where the heater hoses pierce the firewall.

3- The seal where the A/C lines go through.

4- The seal where the A/C drains out of the truck.
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There is a small Black "tube" made of hard plastic which sticks out about 3/4 of an inch into the engine compartment from the firewall on the passengers side. It's about 10 inches below where the A/C lines go into the firewall. Nothing attached to it! Is it a drain or vent???
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That would be #4, the drain for the A/C.

My buddy stopped over tonight, and told me he had stopped by the body shop today. He told the body man about my leak, and the body man said door seal, he fixes 3 or 4 late model GMs a month, with leaking door seals.

So we run over to the brushless car wash, with a flashlight, and sure enough on the first pass of the water spray it started leaking at the bottom front corner of the door. If the carpet retainer (the plastic piece that runs down the side of the seat to the kick panel) and the kick panel, were in place, I couldn't have seen the leak.

I'm so glad it's not the firewall, because that would be a royal PIA.
But, that said, I'm glad I got all those leaves cleaned out of the cowl drains, and screened to prevent future accumulation, because wet leaves draw rust and worms, and sea serpents.

I'll swing by the body shop tomorrow and find out what the door fix is, because all the seals look good and in the right place.

To be continued...
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OK, I talked directly to the body man today... I'm not as buoyant as last night. Yes, he's been doing 3 or 4 a month, but mostly Fords. He uses clear body sealer around the hinges, and the bracket for that door-holder-open-thingy, to keep water from getting in behind the kick panel.

Hmm, my hinges and bracket look like they're pretty tight. Plus the structure behind the kick panel looks like it's double walled, so any water getting behind the hinges wouldn't make it to the footwell.

The other thing he mentioned is the lower door seal, while it appears rounded on top, the backside has two legs that straddle a standing seam, where (I'm guessing here) the door frame meets the floorpan. He said those legs can become spread, and loose on the standing seam. I think it looks like a good place to add sealant.

Well, I'm not there yet, but at least have it narrowed down to where the water is actually sneaking in, so just have to figure out how to stop it.
I'll keep you posted. ( that's shorthand for, I'm gonna keep whining till it's fixed)
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Old 04-27-2011, 07:08 AM   #28 (permalink)
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Thanks Fellas I now have ANOTHER piece of repair conversation for my notebook of "stuff that happens that is not in the repair manual".
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After unsuccessfully trying to track down this leak, I took it to the dealer. They tell me it's not covered by my extended warranty. Grrrrr
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any resolution on this, Bruce? I found a scary amount of water in my passenger side this morning, looks like its coming from the kick panel area or at least pooling there. It's supposed to rain more tonight, so i think i'm leaving the truck at work in the garage until i can take the cowl apart. What scares me is that the truck sat at the dealer for who knows how long outside! (i just bought the truck last week) I am going to get in touch with the dealer and see if this is covered by the warranty that i got - if it's not i may cancel that warranty.

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