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Old 01-18-2007, 08:32 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Here are some Top descriptions and Operation info which I hope will be of assistance to our members.

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Power Folding Top Description and Operation

Power Retractable/Moveable Top System Components
The power retractable/moveable top system consists of the following components:

• Roof door module (RDM)
• Hydraulic system including pump motor
• Hydraulic lines and valve manifold
• Electronic actuator for latching the top to the header
• Folding top mechanics for the top:
- Top
- Stowage compartment lid panel
- Stowage compartment lid extension panel
- Latching mechanism for the top
• Serial data communication
• Position sensing hardware:
- Limit switches
- Hall effects as position sensors of the cylinders
• Top open/close control switch
• Power supply:
- RDM/windows 30 circuit breaker
- PWR roof 30A circuit breaker
- RDM2 15A fuse
- IGN 0 10A fuse
• Grounds:
- G300
- G301

System Operation

Before any movement of the top is allowed, the following messages must be received by the RDM and may also be retransmitted periodically:

• Ignition in ACCY, RUN or RAP
• Brake is pedal pressed
• Vehicle speed less than 5 mph
• A/C is OFF
• Cargo cover is closed

The sequence for opening the top is as follows when holding the retractable roof switch to the OPEN request position:

1. Driver and passenger windows index down
2. Tonneau latch extending to unlatch
3. Tonneau latch extended, opened
4. Tonneau panel extending upward, opening
5. Tonneau panel extended upward
6. Front tonneau extending
7. Front tonneau extended
8. Header latch unlatching
9. Top panel dowel pins activate that top panel is not over center and unlatched
10. Top panel retracting, to open position
11. Top panel retracted to open position
12. Tonneau panel retracting downward, closing
13. Tonneau panel closed
14. Tonneau latch, retracted
15. Audible chime 2 times indicated cycle completed

The sequence for closing the top is as follows when holding the top retractable roof switch to the CLOSE request position:

1. Driver and passenger windows index down
2. Tonneau latch extending to unlatch
3. Tonneau latch extended, opened
4. Tonneau panel extending upward, opening
5. Tonneau panel extended upward
6. Top panel extending to close position
7. Top panel dowel pins enter receiver indicating top reached header
8. Header latch latching
9. Top panel dowel pins activate that top panel is over center, latched
10. Front tonneau retracting
11. Front tonneau retracted
12. Tonneau panel retracting downward, closing
13. Tonneau panel closed
14. Tonneau latch, retracted
15. Audible chime 2 times indicated cycle completed
16. Driver and passenger window close

Hydraulic Control

The roof door module (RDM) will control the hydraulic system to move the folding top by controlling the on/off state and direction of the hydraulic pump motor, and the open/close state of each valve.

The pump motor will be continuously monitoring the temperature sensor thermistor for a pump motor temperature being out of range. If the RDM detects a temperature between the pump motor pre-alarm and pump motor alarm, the current open/close operation shall complete, but no new top operation will be allowed until the pump motor cools below the pump motor pre-alarm. If the temperature reaches the pump motor alarm value, all top operation will cease. There is a low temperature value that will also cease all operation when the temperature is below this value.

Anytime the folding top control switch is released or the top becomes inoperative when it is not fully closed or open, pressure must be maintained in the system to avoid drifting and damage of components. After 4 minutes, hydraulic pressure should be released by cycling the valves on and off, allowing the top to gradually settle to a resting position.

Driver Notification

Listed below are under certain conditions the driver shall be alerted with a message sent via class 2 serial data to the driver information center (DIC).
• ROOF CYCLE TIMEOUT -- Displays when the folding top switch is active and the RDM has detected a fault that could potentially bind the system possibly causing mechanical damage. Roof operation ceases when this message appears.
• PUT VEHICLE IN PARK -- Displays when cargo cover is released as vehicle is out of park.
• STOP VEHICLE -- Displays when cargo cover is released as vehicle is moving.
• ROOF AJAR -- Displayed when cargo cover is released and roof system is not fully opened or closed.
• CARGO COVER AJAR -- Displays when folding top switch is active and the cargo cover is open or ajar.
• PRESS BRAKE -- Displays when folding top switch is active while vehicle is stopped and the brake is not pressed.
• REDUCE SPEED -- Displays when folding top switch is active while vehicle is above a maximum speed.
• UNKNOWN ROOF POSITION -- Displays when folding top control switch is active as either the folding top panel, stowage compartment lid panel or stowage compartment lid extension panel exceed the parameters of there set positions.
• HDR LATCH SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top control switch is active and a fault is present with either the latched or unlatched limit switch.
• ROOF HALL SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top control switch is active and a fault is present with either the top panel extended or retracted hall effect switch.
• TONN HALL SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top control switch is active and a fault is present with the stowage compartment lid panel extended hall effect switch.
• TLAT HALL SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top switch is active and a fault is present with the stowage compartment lid panel latched, left or right, hall effect switch.
• TONN LATD SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top switch is active and a fault is present with either the left or right, stowage compartment lid panel latched switch.
• FLIP HALL SWITCH FAULT -- Displays when folding top switch is active and a fault is present with either the stowage compartment lid extension panel retracted or extended hall effect switch.

Switches

The folding top system monitors inputs from hall effect switches to determine the position of various components and to control the folding top system sequence. A hall effect switch that is attached to a hydraulic cylinder will become active, 1.5-3.5 volts output to RDM, as a cylinder reaches it's fully extended or retracted position based on the location of the hall effect switch.

The stowage compartment lid extension panel hall effect switches become active as the stowage compartment lid extension panel cycle approaches the extended or retracted positions. The hall effect switches are active as they sense the magnetic field as the cylinder approaches each end of it's travel, causing the switch to become active, 1.5-3.5 volts.

The header has a folding top outer latch actuator with two limit switches that monitor the header latch position, and a dowel pin limit switch to monitor the roof panel at the header. As the folding top panel is closing up to the header, the dowel pin, as it first enters the pin guide receiver, signals the RDM that the top is at the header and aligned. The RDM will control the folding top outer latch actuator to latch, pulling the top panel closer into the header. The dowel pin will enter further into the pin guide receiver, again signaling that the top is now over center and latched. The folding top outer latch striker position switch will also signal an input to the RDM confirming that the top is latched and to stop the control outputs to the folding top outer latch actuator.

Class 2 Communications

The RDM communicates via class 2 to determine the status of the vehicle out of park, and vehicle speed. These parameters are monitored and can inhibit top operation.
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A/C off???

I'm pretty sure I've opened or closed mine with the a/c on
yeah, I'm one of those fanatics who have the top down and the a/c on
can't help it
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yeah, I'm one of those fanatics who have the top down and the a/c on
can't help it
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I'm pretty sure I've opened or closed mine with the a/c on
yeah, I'm one of those fanatics who have the top down and the a/c on
can't help it
A/C on when its hot and Heater on when its cold
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I'm pretty sure I've opened or closed mine with the a/c on
yeah, I'm one of those fanatics who have the top down and the a/c on
can't help it
ME TOO . Never have had any problem
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Old 01-27-2007, 06:47 AM   #7 (permalink)
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ok then boys and girls!

does all this mean that the constant 'roof ajar' message dispalyed with no warming dings may be because of a failure of the cargo cov er locking catch, i have to say it looks locked!!


ROOF AJAR -- Displayed when cargo cover is released and roof system is not fully opened or closed.


or should i just order and fit a driver side header latch switch? as previously mentioned somewhere in the dim and distant past?

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Back in the summer I know for a fact that I have had the air on while lowering the top. But, I have had the problem of the top not lowering with the backend open. Will not close or raise like this due to the rear switch it seems.
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My beauty only has the top up if it is raining...... then if I could drive fast to keep the rain off and the cops a bay I'd do that..... This is my 3rd. convert and I buy them to enjoy the open ride. If it is HOT that is what the AC is for, if it is COLD that is what the Heater is for....and the heated seats help their!!!!!!

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Not sure if this can be done but I am going to install a remote starter and want to also set up a remote open and close for the top as well so after I remote start the ssr I can then open or close the top. Has anyone done this yet.
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... I remote start the ssr I can then open or close the top. Has anyone done this yet.
I do remember at least a couple of our members who have already done this with a remote. You might want to do a search for roof remotes to see what you can find.
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New stereo and remote top done!

I think SSR03 has it too, is that correct Jim?
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Not sure if this can be done but I am going to install a remote starter and want to also set up a remote open and close for the top as well so after I remote start the ssr I can then open or close the top. Has anyone done this yet.

I have a remote starter but didn't opt for the remote roof. I forsee too many problems. Its a touchy system to start off with.

My son's Z4 has the remote roof as standard equip.

And for the people who have the 6 speed. I just had a remote starter put in my 6sp Toyota FJ Crusier. You just have to remember to keep it in neutral when you shot it off.
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I'm pretty sure I've opened or closed mine with the a/c on
yeah, I'm one of those fanatics who have the top down and the a/c on
can't help it
me too, my A/C been on amost a year, arms too short to reach the knob
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yes, Jim has the remote top. I've seen it, very nice...
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I had this message "roof ajar" Found the 30amp fuse was not making contact. Pulled and reset fuse and Bingo, everthing is up and down again
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Last night I tried to put up the roof. With vehicle in park, pressed the roof up side, nothing happened. Tried to raise the windows, nothing happened. All other electrical components work. Anyone have an idea whts wrong?
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Sounds kinda like a computer glich.... I won't speculate which module (lots of better qualified people on here), but I'd bet that a battery disconnect for a few minutes and could possibly reset a malfunctioning module..... Kinda like a hard reboot on your PC.

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Before any movement of the top is allowed, the following messages must be received by the RDM and may also be retransmitted periodically:

• Ignition in ACCY, RUN or RAP
• Brake is pedal pressed
• Vehicle speed less than 5 mph
• A/C is OFF
• Cargo cover is closed

I would also check to see if the emergency release for the cargo cover (inside the cargo area on the drivers side rear), is pushed up all the way into position. I have seen cases where the emergency release handle has been moved downward just enough for the system to detect the cargo cover as being open (even though it is actually closed).

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For your quick responses, and Mike same back at you. By the way Mike, with your your current job, were you an airdale?
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Before any movement of the top is allowed, the following messages must be received by the RDM and may also be retransmitted periodically:
• Ignition in ACCY, RUN or RAP
• Brake is pedal pressed
• Vehicle speed less than 5 mph
A/C is OFF
• Cargo cover is closed

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I'm going to have to try that....just to see what happens if I had the A/C on
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Thanks for all your help....

Still couldn't get the top up this weekend, so drove around in the cold and wind until my service department opened this morning. Thought it would take forever, but my tech pulled the fuse for the roof/windows, reinserted it and everything works as advertised. Now I know what to do in the future.
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thanks for roof info

Thanks for the information about the operation of the roof. I own a 2003 SSR and for now the roof will not retract. With your information I have been able to determine that it is probably mechanical.
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Hi Everyone,
I'm new to this forum, just joined this week.
I was reading this thread about problems with the convertible tops not working properly. My problem is similar to most of these.
The top on my '03 SSR stops while trying to open. The tonneau cover will lift and then it will give me a fault message on the dash.
Usually, I can get it to go down by putting the car in gear and rolling forward or back a few inches, then put it back into Park, foot on brake, and hit the button again. It always goes Up in one smooth motion, maybe because everything is warm by then. So as a test last time, I backed out of the garage and drove around a few blocks, then pulled into my drive and tried the top with the motor warmed up... it worked perfectly!
I don't know why warming the car up made a difference, but I wish it would work right every time without going through all the extra steps!
I took it to the Chevy dealer 2 different times last year because the top not working right. Parts & switches were replaced both times, but it still does the same thing.
I hate to take it back to the dealer till there is a definite FIX for the problem since I had to leave it there for about a week each time.
Has anyone had this problem?.... and actually had their top problem corrected by a dealer for good?
Thanks for your advice.
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