SSR won't shift out of PARK

WOW_FCTR · 04-25-2009, 04:10 PM

I knew I was going to jinx myself this morning when I posted that I did not have the ignition problem after 158k miles

So after a couple of tow trucks and 5 hours, I finally have my SSR sitting in my drive way. Now I need to figure out how to get it out of park.

I can put the key in and start up fine. I just cannot push the button down on the shifter to get it out of park.
Any suggestions?
Todd has offered to help me out by looking at the solenoid? to determine if the brake pedal is being pushed. I wasn't sure if it was the same one as the one for the top, but I can put the top down.

Well...anyway it will remain sitting in my driveway until I can get it out of park

OP · 04-25-2009, 04:14 PM

get some help and try rocking it back and forth...

WOW_FCTR · 04-25-2009, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by OP

get some help and try rocking it back and forth...

Actually I guess we did do that because we were trying to get a wheel chuck out from under the front tire. It did not work.

OP · 04-25-2009, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by WOW_FCTR

Actually I guess we did do that because we were trying to get a wheel chuck out from under the front tire. It did not work.

you can try jacking up the rear end and working the rear wheels back and forth...that's all I got...good luck dude.

js73751 · 04-25-2009, 05:24 PM

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Originally Posted by WOW_FCTR

I knew I was going to jinx myself this morning when I posted that I did not have the ignition problem after 158k miles

Sorry about that!

Ross · 04-25-2009, 07:36 PM

are the brake lites working? switch/relay may be bad - or it may just be a blown fuse -

Purple Penelope · 04-25-2009, 10:49 PM

Disconnct the negative battery cable for 5 minutes, then reconnect. Should do it.

BlackSSR03 · 04-26-2009, 05:43 AM

Could be the cable snapped and has to be replaced. It happened to me, replaced cable and Voom.
Sandy

03

wildcat66 · 04-26-2009, 06:06 PM

awww that just sucks, I hope you get it fixed soon!

river_rat · 04-26-2009, 08:57 PM

Try Ross' suggestion about the brake lights. Our Tahoe was acting up not wanting to shift out of park. Turned out it was the brake light switch.

WOW_FCTR · 04-29-2009, 06:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Ross

are the brake lites working? switch/relay may be bad - or it may just be a blown fuse -

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Originally Posted by river_rat

Try Ross' suggestion about the brake lights. Our Tahoe was acting up not wanting to shift out of park. Turned out it was the brake light switch.

I determined that the brake lights work....so it isn't the easy solution

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Originally Posted by BlackSSR03

Could be the cable snapped and has to be replaced. It happened to me, replaced cable and Voom.
Sandy

03

Guess I'd have to get it to the dealer for this problem

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Originally Posted by Purple Penelope

Disconnct the negative battery cable for 5 minutes, then reconnect. Should do it.

I was going to try and disconnect the positive to see what happens.

bcbear10 · 04-29-2009, 07:08 AM

Try to re-position the shift lever ever so slightly. I found when changinging shift levers if it was off even 1 hair it would not work properly. Over time it might have moved and that is all it takes.

Good luck!

bc

WOW_FCTR · 04-29-2009, 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by bcbear10

Try to re-position the shift lever ever so slightly. I found when changinging shift levers if it was off even 1 hair it would not work properly. Over time it might have moved and that is all it takes.

Good luck!

bc

I spent some time the last two days just hoping in the truck and trying to move the shifter hoping it was this simple...no joy

REBEL · 04-29-2009, 12:35 PM

Eat your Wheaties ! little fellow!

WOW_FCTR · 04-29-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by REBEL

Eat your Wheaties ! little fellow!

That's what I've been doing wrong...I've been eating kiddie cereal....

I guess the next step will be to remove the center console and see what I can do.....if nothing, then I will have to have it towed again.

wingrider · 04-30-2009, 06:28 AM

John here is a schematic for the shift lock

kamssr · 04-30-2009, 09:46 AM

Here is the information to try from the service manual:

Hope that this helps. Send me a pm in you need any other info from the Service Manual. You already have the diagram in this posting.

Cheers,

KamSSR

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Shift Lever Does Not Move with Brake Pedal Depressed
Step
Action
Yes
No

Schematic Reference: Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control Schematics

Connector End View Reference: Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control Connector End Views

DEFINITION: Transmission shift lever does not move out of the PARK position with the ignition ON and the brake pedal pressed.

1
Did you perform the Symptoms - Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control tests and perform all the necessary inspections?
Go to Step 2
Go to Symptoms - Automatic Transmission Shift Lock Control

2
Turn ON the ignition.
Press and hold the brake pedal.
Attempt to move the shift lever out of the PARK position.
Does the shift lever move out of the PARK position?
Go to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections in Wiring Systems
Go to Step 3

3
Turn OFF the ignition.
Disconnect the automatic transmission shift lock control switch.
Turn ON the ignition, with the engine OFF.
Attempt to move the shift lever out of the PARK position.
Does the shift lever move out of the PARK position?
Go to Step 7
Go to Step 4

4
Turn OFF the ignition.
Leave the automatic transmission shift lock control switch disconnected.
Connect a test lamp between the A/T shift lock control solenoid supply voltage circuit at the automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid and a good ground.
Turn ON the ignition with the engine OFF.
Does the test lamp illuminate?
Go to Step 10
Go to Step 5

5
Turn OFF the ignition.
Connect a test lamp between the ignition 1 voltage circuit of the park lock solenoid and a good ground.
Turn ON the ignition with the engine OFF.
Does the test lamp illuminate?
Go to Step 6
Go to Step 9

6
Turn OFF the ignition.
Connect a test lamp between the ignition 1 voltage circuit of the park lock solenoid and the park lock solenoid ground circuit.
Turn ON the ignition with the engine OFF.
Does the test lamp illuminate?
Go to Step 8
Go to Step 11

7
Inspect for poor connections at the harness connector of the automatic transmission shift lock control switch. Refer to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections and Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?
Go to Step 14
Go to Step 13

8
Inspect for poor connections at the harness connector of the park lock/automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid assembly. Refer to Testing for Intermittent and Poor Connections and Connector Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you find and correct the condition?
Go to Step 14
Go to Step 12

9
Repair the open or high resistance in the park lock solenoid ignition 1 voltage circuit. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you complete the repair?
Go to Step 14
--

10
Repair short to battery positive voltage in the A/T shift lock control solenoid supply voltage circuit. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you complete the repair?
Go to Step 14
--

11
Repair the open or high resistance in the park lock solenoid ground circuit. Refer to Circuit Testing and Wiring Repairs in Wiring Systems.

Did you complete the repair?
Go to Step 14
--

12
Replace the park lock/automatic transmission shift lock control solenoid. Refer to Floor Shift Control Replacement in Automatic Transaxle 4L60-E.

Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 14
--

13
Replace the automatic transmission shift lock control switch. Refer to Stop Lamp Switch Replacement in Lighting Systems.

Did you complete the replacement?
Go to Step 14
--

14
Operate the system in order to verify the repair.

Did you correct the condition?
System OK
Go to Step 2

river_rat · 04-30-2009, 11:28 AM

I just re-read wow_factor's original post. I don't have access to my SSR to test, so maybe some else can try. I've been assuming it has something to do with the tranny shift locking mechanism. But he states that he can't push the button down. I don't know if the shift lock is tied to the button or the shift lever. Can someone try pushing the button down on their SSR without stepping on the brake pedal?

A10loader · 04-30-2009, 11:31 AM

The button will NOT go down w/o the brake pedal down...

river_rat · 04-30-2009, 11:36 AM

Oh well. So much for thinking it may just be a simple mechanical problem with the shift knob.

kamssr · 04-30-2009, 01:12 PM

In referring to manuals, I am starting to suspect the Shift Lock Actuator.

See if you can do the following.....
I want to know if when you press on the brake you can hear a small click coming from just in front of the Shift Lever. If the actuator is working then you should hear a small click, but very faint.

If you hear the click then it is not the actuator and must be something with the Shift Lever, however if you do not hear the small click, then several things can apply.

Brake lights come on, so that relay is working, which would lead to the wiring harness (image posted in this thread for routing and signaling). This harness also has the Shift Lock Actuator Connector, located on the passenger side of the shift lever, which may have come loose, or worse yet frayed as mentioned by BlackSSR03 in an earlier post, in which case you will need to repair/replace it.

If you decide to open it up, take a look work from the passenger side, as you will direct access to both the actuator and the actuator connector.

I have an image of the passenger side view of the console, and color coded the Actuator and the Actuator Connector pm me with your email, and I'll send it to you, as I can not attach files. (shot from the service manual, and I added color to it)

If you get the console off and see the Actuator, try tapping the brakes again to see if you can see/hear the actuator engage.

I hope that you get this sorted out as there is nothing worse than having a Toy you can't play with simply because you can't get the "ON" switch to work

Also try removing the Shift Lever and see if there is anything affecting it's operation. Easiest thing to try at least!

Look up from the bottom to make sure nothing is in the way of the plunger, as well as test the button on the lever to make sure that you can fully depress it, while it is separated from the Transmission

Hope that this helps in some way.

Cheers,
KamSSR

bushman · 04-30-2009, 03:07 PM

Happened to me 2 months ago. Dealer replaced break switch, all is good now.

WOW_FCTR · 05-02-2009, 06:09 PM

Well today I picked up my son Matt and made him help me out

We got the center console apart following the directions that someone posted and that I put into the library....yeah for people who know what they are talking about

I was able to put a little silver button on the side of the shift stick channel and voila, I was able to shift out of park! and.....I was able to drive...well, I just drove it up the driveway so it was a little straighter.

I guess I will determine if that silver solenoid is getting power or not tomorrow.

Thanks for everyone who contributed information

(and those who still may because I can't figure out the name of the part to replace...hahaha)

BlueStreak · 05-02-2009, 09:49 PM

Glad to see you are progressing. Keep us informed, please.

WOW_FCTR · 05-09-2009, 02:44 PM

Well...it's still sitting in my driveway...I can drive it but it is still in pieces.

It looks like of course I can't by the little tiny piece that is broke, but have to obtain the larger part, which I think sells for around $190.

I was thinking about just taping up the button so that it is always in and I can always shift it. Anyone see a problem with that?

Otherwise I guess I should just order the part.

OP · 05-09-2009, 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by WOW_FCTR

Well...it's still sitting in my driveway...I can drive it but it is still in pieces.

It looks like of course I can't by the little tiny piece that is broke, but have to obtain the larger part, which I think sells for around $190.

I was thinking about just taping up the button so that it is always in and I can always shift it. Anyone see a problem with that?

Otherwise I guess I should just order the part.

Well I would order the part...check with Byers or rssrtoy to see if you can get it cheaper.

Taping the button will work , but makes it more vulnerable...older cars were like that...you could shift to any gear at any time without your foot on the brake...not real smart to do safety and transmission speaking of course, but it could be done...

WOW_FCTR · 05-09-2009, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by OP

Well I would order the part...check with Byers or rssrtoy to see if you can get it cheaper.

Taping the button will work , but makes it more vulnerable...older cars were like that...you could shift to any gear at any time without your foot on the brake...not real smart to do safety and transmission speaking of course, but it could be done...

Well...the only time you put your foot on the brake to shift now is to shift in/out of park

I think that I am just going to take it to the trans shop by my house and let him put it in....otherwise it will be another month before I get it done..

But I was thinking about taping though

REBEL · 05-09-2009, 05:47 PM

Junk yards have parts.

xoxoxoBruce · 05-10-2009, 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by OP

Well I would order the part...check with Byers or rssrtoy to see if you can get it cheaper.

Taping the button will work , but makes it more vulnerable...older cars were like that...you could shift to any gear at any time without your foot on the brake...not real smart to do safety and transmission speaking of course, but it could be done...

Yes, back when drivers had to pay attention to what they were doing instead of the government and manufacturers trying to make them idiot proof. Oh dear, I shifted into reverse at 50 miles an hour, it must be GM's fault.

WOW_FCTR · 05-16-2009, 09:47 AM

Well...I finally figured out what the problem was....
A ground wire going into the shift connector had broke.
Luckily the guy I took it to was able to splice a wire in in under 1/2 hour....

but now the problem I have is.....the key won't come out of the ignition

I will be checking the threads today to see what the solution is....as I know other people have had this issue.