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Old 05-08-2008, 08:22 AM   #31 (permalink)
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Old 05-08-2008, 09:18 AM   #32 (permalink)
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The KDW-2 is the second generation tread, and a better tire, of the KDWs. It's on the "Rack"... with testing.

If you want quieter, the Toyos are close. The 2's bite harder.

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On the BFGoodrich website I see KDs, KDWs, and KDWSs, but not KDW2s. Is the "2" just a tirerack.com addition?


I saw someone in MV with General tires:

Tire Specifications for Grabber UHP
295/45R20 Tire Size:
114 Load Index:
V Speed Rating:
2602 Max Load:

I, unfortunately, can't find the front tire size....and can't remember what was on the SSR. Anyone else see them?
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Old 05-13-2008, 06:21 PM   #34 (permalink)
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See my post #29 on this thread, and the added info from WOW at position One, that I provided for sizes. I was probably the only one there with General Grabbers, and so far so good.
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Old 05-13-2008, 09:42 PM   #35 (permalink)
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I put on BF Goodrich

I could not find tires anywhere last month and I ended up putting on BF Goodrich
Front 255/40ZR-19
and rear 295/40ZR-20
Fronts are a half inch shorter than the normal 255/45R-19.
I have about 1000 miles on them and they seem fine.
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I saw someone in MV with General tires:

I, unfortunately, can't find the front tire size....and can't remember what was on the SSR. Anyone else see them?
They were on Copecitc Chris' Blur. Fronts were 275s. Chris should chime in if hesees the thread.

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I could not find tires anywhere last month and I ended up putting on BF Goodrich
Front 255/40ZR-19
and rear 295/40ZR-20
Fronts are a half inch shorter than the normal 255/45R-19.
I have about 1000 miles on them and they seem fine.
When I look up 255/40 on BFGoodrichtires.com the only size they show is 17...so I can't get any information on them.
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They were on Copecitc Chris' Blur. Fronts were 275s. Chris should chime in if hesees the thread.

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I see there are 275/45s and 275/55s. If he posts the size he has I will add it to the first post.
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Kdw-2

From TireRack and available.

Front: 245/40ZR19
Rear: 295/40VR20
Spare: 215/40ZR17

Both front and spare are inflated to almost max pressure for load rating safety margin. Camber at "0". Driven hard and wearing nice and evenly. Somewhat noisy, as in "between songs" but excellent performers ('cept snow...).

Is there anything that outperforms these?
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From TireRack and available.

Front: 245/40ZR19
Rear: 295/40R20
Spare: 215/40ZR17

Both front and spare are inflated to almost max pressure for load rating safety margin. Camber at "0". Driven hard and wearing nice and evenly. Somewhat noisy, as in "between songs" but excellent performers ('cept snow...).

Is there anything that outperforms these?
I didn't put KDW-2's because I didn't find them on the BFGoodrich site. I wanted to get all the information off the manufacturer's websites (which is why I don't have Perelli either).

Unless someone here does a comparison, I don't know how we could tell which one performs the best.....
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I see the problem!

BFGoodrich has dropped the original KDW design and the KDW-2 name, which leads to the current confusion. Use the KDW-2 info, which is better than the KDW info.

I did an exhaustive search on tires, tire tests, and personally drove several aftermarket tire equipped SSRs, and spoke to the (reluctant) techs at BFGoodrich before my purchase.

P.S. I know there are those who believe that RS-As are the only choice. Not only is that wrong, but after my experience, also a dangerous recommendation. RS-As are slippery and unpredictable in the wet, allowing the SSR to break traction and slide out of control. This has been documented repeatedly on this site (and others, too).

OK, off my soap box.

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Thanks for the info. I just went out and got new chrome rims and BFG'S. I'll sell my whole set of GY'S tires with 14K miles on them, all for $250..
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I see the problem!

BFGoodrich has dropped the original KDW design and the KDW-2 name, which leads to the current confusion. Use the KDW-2 info, which is better than the KDW info.

I did an exhaustive search on tires, tire tests, and personally drove several aftermarket tire equipped SSRs, and spoke to the (reluctant) techs at BFGoodrich before my purchase.

P.S. I know there are those who believe that RS-As are the only choice. Not only is that wrong, but after my experience, also a dangerous recommendation. RS-As are slippery and unpredictable in the wet, allowing the SSR to break traction and slide out of control. This has been documented repeatedly on this site (and others, too).

OK, off my soap box.

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So you are recommending KDW2s for driving in the snow?

I just put on KDWs last month and found out that they also are slippery and unpredictable on wet roads. I specifically went to a bend in the road where I could always just "tap" the gas and have the rear end come out when the road was wet with the RSAs....well the EXACT same thing happened with the KDWs. On a straight wet road the KDWs held a little better.
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Thanks for the added info WOW_FCTR - I think I am headed for the Toyo's. The slippery Goodyears are no fun with a 6speed. I dont drive like a granny either, so traction is a big need for my SSR.
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Thanks for the added info WOW_FCTR - I think I am headed for the Toyo's. The slippery Goodyears are no fun with a 6speed. I dont drive like a granny either, so traction is a big need for my SSR.
I don't know if I have KDWs or KDW2s since I bought them off of a member here.

Next year I'll have to buy Toyos and try them out on the same bend
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KDW, which are the "old" newer tread KDW-2s, have an odd, wavy tread. The original KDW tread had very straight and "normal" looking tread. Both the original KDW and the "old" KDW-2/now "new" KWD have much superior dry and wet handling capabilities than the GoodYear RS-As. Slightly better than the Toyos, too.

I will say this, if you push any tire hard in the SSR, the butt end is "iffy." I have lost the rear in the KDW-2s, but easily recovered, too. The current KDW (see BFGoodrich site for the tire) are still the stickiest tire I know of.

I have never recommended the KDW-2s for snow. And I don't trust the middle-performing RS-As to get me through the rain to get to the snow, either. If I was snow driving, I'd get a good set good snow tires on whatever winter rims would fit. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of good snow tires that fit the stock firms, and snow is harsh on them anyway.

There are many who argue they can not afford a snow tire/rim combo, and stand by the RS-As. I honestly think, after end-over-ending, and rolling my first SSR four times off the freeway, that any arguement for the RS-As is absolute bull****. I know what I did wrong, but the RS-A tires, IMHO, have no road feel, no predictability, no safety margin, and just plain suck as being reliable when you need it most.

If I had been on my KWD-2s during my above accident, I'd still be driving my first SSR. Hense, my passion.
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I'd agree and open that up to most any tire other than the RS-A. I know I can push my Dunlops way beyond anything the GY could do, wet or dry.
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I'd agree and open that up to most any tire other than the RS-A. I know I can push my Dunlops way beyond anything the GY could do, wet or dry.

We should swap rides sometime.

I have not driven a SSR with Dunlops...
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I have not driven a SSR with Dunlops...
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KDW, which are the "old" newer tread KDW-2s, have an odd, wavy tread. The original KDW tread had very straight and "normal" looking tread. Both the original KDW and the "old" KDW-2/now "new" KWD have much superior dry and wet handling capabilities than the GoodYear RS-As. Slightly better than the Toyos, too.

I will say this, if you push any tire hard in the SSR, the butt end is "iffy." I have lost the rear in the KDW-2s, but easily recovered, too. The current KDW (see BFGoodrich site for the tire) are still the stickiest tire I know of.

I have never recommended the KDW-2s for snow. And I don't trust the middle-performing RS-As to get me through the rain to get to the snow, either. If I was snow driving, I'd get a good set good snow tires on whatever winter rims would fit. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of good snow tires that fit the stock firms, and snow is harsh on them anyway.

There are many who argue they can not afford a snow tire/rim combo, and stand by the RS-As. I honestly think, after end-over-ending, and rolling my first SSR four times off the freeway, that any arguement for the RS-As is absolute bull****. I know what I did wrong, but the RS-A tires, IMHO, have no road feel, no predictability, no safety margin, and just plain suck as being reliable when you need it most.

If I had been on my KWD-2s during my above accident, I'd still be driving my first SSR. Hense, my passion.
Thank you for this well stated post.
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