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Old 07-12-2012, 06:11 PM   #1 (permalink)
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window indexing?

Here is the situation. Window doesn't index down when handle is operated inside or outside. If the door is open and the window is raised and the door is closed it does index up to fully closed. I now lower the window an inch, open the door, raise the window then close the door. PIA.

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When is the last time you tried to set the limits on the index? I find mine loses it's memory on this about once a month so I reset it about every third week on GPs.
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You definitely should re-index both doors' windows.

Those instructions have been posted many times but just in case:

Start with the doors closed and the windows in their fully up position.
  • Press and hold the window "down" button and continue to hold the button for at least 5 seconds after the window reaches the bottom.
  • Press and hold the window "up" button and continue to hold the button for at least 5 seconds after the window reaches the top.
  • Repeat for both sides.

If the window does not index downward when you open the door after re-indexing the windows, then you could have one of two additional things wrong:
  • The position switch in the door latch is not signalling the fact the door has opened and the RDM (roof door module) doesn't know to index downward the window.
  • The RDM itself might have some problem(s) as well. Replacing the RDM takes about 15 minutes. I have a spare one for the 03/04 SSRs if you want to try it out on your SSR to see if it helps your problem.
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I've "reindexed" on a regular basis

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You definitely should re-index both doors' windows.

Those instructions have been posted many times but just in case:

Start with the doors closed and the windows in their fully up position.
  • Press and hold the window "down" button and continue to hold the button for at least 5 seconds after the window reaches the bottom.
  • Press and hold the window "up" button and continue to hold the button for at least 5 seconds after the window reaches the top.
  • Repeat for both sides.

If the window does not index downward when you open the door after re-indexing the windows, then you could have one of two additional things wrong:
  • The position switch in the door latch is not signalling the fact the door has opened and the RDM (roof door module) doesn't know to index downward the window.
  • The RDM itself might have some problem(s) as well. Replacing the RDM takes about 15 minutes. I have a spare one for the 03/04 SSRs if you want to try it out on your SSR to see if it helps your problem.
I've reindexed multiple times and 1 out of 4 times it will work properly for several door openings, then fails and stays in the failed mode.
with the door open ,if I roll the window down then up and close the door it goes up then typically neither inside nor outside latch will drop the window.
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I've reindexed multiple times and 1 out of 4 times it will work properly for several door openings, then fails and stays in the failed mode.
with the door open ,if I roll the window down then up and close the door it goes up then typically neither inside nor outside latch will drop the window.
Does this occur only on the one side (driver's side I assume)?

When the window fails to index down on one side, does it also fail to index down on the other side?

Either the indexing memory (stored in the RDM) is getting lost/corrupted quite frequently or the RDM is able to figure out the position of the window for a period of time after a re-indexing and then it goes out of spec somehow. Since it's able to downward index the window for a period of time after the re-indexing, that suggests the door latch position switch is at least working to some degree.

I do have a used RDM and a new RDM for a 2003/2004 SSR if you want to try and swap out your RDM.
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Yes it is only the drivers door, never the passenger side. If you would bring the rdm to our next NorCal function I'd like to try it.
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Yes it is only the drivers door, never the passenger side. If you would bring the rdm to our next NorCal function I'd like to try it.
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Jim, Module on door is getting bad. Been there.

Tony, Golfer2 and I spent some time with his index problem.

Took door panel off, fixed rod to module, rod gets bent over time from opening.

This changed the "Throw" and helped for a while.

Tony ordered new module and finally replaced it. Module located at outside door handle.

Indexing was fixed!

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Jim, Module on door is getting bad. Been there.

Tony, Golfer2 and I spent some time with his index problem.

Took door panel off, fixed rod to module, rod gets bent over time from opening.

This changed the "Throw" and helped for a while.

Tony ordered new module and finally replaced it. Module located at outside door handle.

Indexing was fixed!

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The "module" you speak of is really on the door latch itself (correct?), not the door handle. When I replaced my outside door handle to install my chrome door handle, the only thing connected to it was the two bolts that hold it in the door and the rod that connects it to the door latch assembly.

Since re-indexing the window "corrects" the problem for a short while, it seems the door latch switch is "working" (at least for a period of time).

The door latch assembly has the latch position sensor/switch that is responsible for letting the RDM know that the door has opened/closed.

I'll try to locate a part break out later today.
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Thanks, keeping this discussion open will help all of us learn more about a common problem as our SSR's get older.

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Item #29 in the attached door part break out is the "LOCK FRT S/D,(INCLS ACTUATOR, DR AJAR SW)" part.

Driver's side: 15115931
Passenger's side: 15115932

Looks like the switch portion is being labeled as the "door ajar switch".

Item #33 is the rod that connects the outside door handle to #29.

Item #18 is the rod that connects the inside door handle (or the part moved by the inside door handle) to #29.

I totally agree that item #29 can be the root cause in the window failing to index downward, but I would believe it either would be a complete failure or a far more sporadic failure.

If I'm understanding the symptoms correctly, the re-indexing solves the problem for a short period of time and during that period of time it works "correctly" until it fails again.

The door latch assembly is certainly on the list of suspect parts at this point as is the wiring assembly that connects to it.

The RDM is also on the list of suspect parts as well.

I only have a RDM in my spare parts cache.

When it goes into the "failed" mode again, you could try holding the door handle and using a screwdriver to move the door latch assembly to the fully latched position and then release it to see if the window "moves" at all like it should when in the fully latch position and then moves downward when not in the fully latched position.

When I'm working on something in the cab of the SSR with the door open for an extended period of time, I'll "latch" the door latch to make the RDM think the door is closed and the SSR modules will power down any lights it normally leaves on when the doors are "open". That's where I've observed the window indexing (up and down) when I partially press the latch to the almost fully latch position (as it should do). That's why I'm stating the window indexing is not part of the door handle itself, but a function of the door latch switch.
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Item #29 in the attached door part break out is the "LOCK FRT S/D,(INCLS ACTUATOR, DR AJAR SW)" part.

Driver's side: 15115931
Passenger's side: 15115932

Looks like the switch portion is being labeled as the "door ajar switch".

Item #33 is the rod that connects the outside door handle to #29.

Item #18 is the rod that connects the inside door handle (or the part moved by the inside door handle) to #29.

I totally agree that item #29 can be the root cause in the window failing to index downward, but I would believe it either would be a complete failure or a far more sporadic failure.

If I'm understanding the symptoms correctly, the re-indexing solves the problem for a short period of time and during that period of time it works "correctly" until it fails again.

The door latch assembly is certainly on the list of suspect parts at this point as is the wiring assembly that connects to it.

The RDM is also on the list of suspect parts as well.

I only have a RDM in my spare parts cache.

When it goes into the "failed" mode again, you could try holding the door handle and using a screwdriver to move the door latch assembly to the fully latched position and then release it to see if the window "moves" at all like it should when in the fully latch position and then moves downward when not in the fully latched position.

When I'm working on something in the cab of the SSR with the door open for an extended period of time, I'll "latch" the door latch to make the RDM think the door is closed and the SSR modules will power down any lights it normally leaves on when the doors are "open". That's where I've observed the window indexing (up and down) when I partially press the latch to the almost fully latch position (as it should do). That's why I'm stating the window indexing is not part of the door handle itself, but a function of the door latch switch.
This is a good explaination. Tony bent the rod to get more throw to the "latch switch", which worked for a while.
Finally changed Latch Switch.
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My SSR has less than 9,000 miles on it. It does this quite often.

I pop the panel of the fuse box behind the passenger seat and pull the two metal cased breakers in top of fuse panel and put them back in and it resets it every time. I think they are the top and window breakers.

Once my window got real weird. I open the door and it would index down 1/2" but I close the door it wouldn't index up. I open the door back up, and it would index down another 1/2", close the door, no go up. Keep opening it and it just kept indexing down 1/2" every time.

I pulled the breakers and fixed that too.

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Indexing take 2

Today I'm driving at 40 mph notice lots of wind noise. The drivers door isn't closed fully but no door ajar alarm. Could the sensor for door ajar and window index be one in the same?
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Today I'm driving at 40 mph notice lots of wind noise. The drivers door isn't closed fully but no door ajar alarm. Could the sensor for door ajar and window index be one in the same?
Yes. I believe both are triggered by the door latch switch.
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