I've lived my whole life in Phoenix. I never saw the towers in person, but I took Thumper to Manhattan for her birthday in '04, and of course we went to the Ground Zero site.
What I remember most about the trip is that Manhattan is a very noisy place, but when you stand at Ground Zero, it is incredibly quiet. People speak in muffled tones, and there is a reverance that I've encountered nowhere else. You can't help but get choked up when you're there in person.
That said, I (personally) think it should stay as is, or maybe a monument should be erected there, but not a commercial building. I don't believe Al-Quaida wins if the tower doesn't get built, especially if you have experienced the quiet at the site.
They don't win if you remember.....
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I'm not sure what they finally decided on, but I believe the footprints of the original towers will be left untouched. They had several plans for memorials for that spot and, again, I'm not sure which they decided, but I think it's going to be a open waterfall, with an area to walk behind it displaying the names of all the people who died. I was there, I'm glad they're rebuilding, and I think it will be beautiful.
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Why does the EPA continue to let oil leak out of the Arizona? Would they scream about it comming from any othe wreck?
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'wrecks sunken during and since World War II pose the greatest risks because of the presence of residual fuels. Many of these vessels are considered submerged cultural resources and some may be memorials or national historic landmarks, such as the USS Arizona in Pearl Harbor. Many military wrecks are war graves, and U.S. Navy policy is that the remains of crew members should remain undisturbed unless proper retrieval and burial become necessary. Therefore, oil removal and salvage actions would have to deal with the issue of disturbance of human remains. World War II wrecks are of particular concern because they can contain large volumes of oil, and corrosion after nearly 60 years underwater can lead to chronic leaks and the potential for catastrophic releases. For example, the USS Mississinewa (Fig. 3-1), an oil tanker sunken in 1944 in Ulithi Lagoon and containing an estimated 1-3 million gallons of a heavy fuel oil started leaking in August 2001, a few months after a storm passed over the site. Existing U.S. and international laws and regulations provide limited authority to promptly remove grounded or abandoned vessels that are causing harm to natural resources but which are not otherwise obstructing or threatening to obstruct navigation, or threatening a pollution discharge. With the exception of the Oil Pollution Act (OPA), no federal statute provides a source of funds other than appropriated agency monies for use in removing grounded or abandoned vessels, and the OPA fund has not been made broadly available for these purposes. '
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The USS Arizona continues to leak about 1-2 quarts of oil per day into the harbor.
The Navy is considering nonintrusive means of abating the continued leakage of oil to avoid the further environmental degradation of the harbor. This abatement may very well occur when the last surviving crewmember dies.
I have mixed feelings about them building new skyscrapers. But I like the way the monument is laid out. I hope it doesn't lose the respect for the people who died there
If you have never been to the memorial site in Oklahoma City , it is a very moving and solemn place. There was once only an empty lot and a chain link fence to remind us of the victims that perished there, and the sensless act of violence that led to their destruction. I agree that to build nothing on the sight of the twin towers would be a negative, and by erecting a memorial would be both a tribute to those who were murdered there and also show that we as a nation of freedom and strength will rise up from adversity and not shrink from those who would seek to do us harm.
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I have visited the World Trade Center before 9/11 and after. It is the most important concern of the new development that it is respectful of the victims. Of course there is no way to please everyone, the victims families were given lots of input for the memorial and the new tower does not set on that sacred ground. If, as someone earlier suggested, they just knock it down again, I say we build an even larger structure and continue our way of life as opposed to cowering down in weakness.
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Have also visited the WTC - both before and after 911. I'm also an NYFD firefighter's kid and a native New Yorker (naturalized Texan). Build it bigger and better and let the world now we didn't miss a beat.
Have also visited the site in OKC, but not since the area was cleaned up.
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