Pretty much it seems much more serious than they let on for a long time. To halt all sales of most of the vehicles and manufacturing will cost them millions a day. On one hand you could say "way to go" but on another hand, issues have been reported for months and it seems like it's way more serious than floor mats... otherwise, they would not stop selling!
It will be interesting to see what happens. This is either a gutsy or desperate move.
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Pretty much it seems much more serious than they let on for a long time. To halt all sales of most of the vehicles and manufacturing will cost them millions a day. On one hand you could say "way to go" but on another hand, issues have been reported for months and it seems like it's way more serious than floor mats... otherwise, they would not stop selling!
It will be interesting to see what happens. This is either a gutsy or desperate move.
That's what I was thinking too, that it had to be more then just floor mats!
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Read an article yesterday on the toys.
The have haulted production on 8 models, and sales on all of them. They estimate they will loose 65,000 sales this month and each consecutive month till they figure out what's casing the gas pedal to stick.
Evidently it's a engineering design flaw that their engineers can't figure out.
Not sure exactly wht their problem is, but then again I don't work on Toyota's. If I did I'd probably have a fix designed for it by now
Oh well, Let them figure it out. Less I have to do.
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We have a 2010 Camry XLE Waiting to hear from them myself. The national news said it did not effect the ones made in Japan. That is where mine was built.
Evidently it's a engineering design flaw that their engineers can't figure out.
Not sure exactly wht their problem is, but then again I don't work on Toyota's. If I did I'd probably have a fix designed for it by now
Oh well, Let them figure it out. Less I have to do.
Yea.... I can't quite understand that either... they know it sticks, so how come they can't figure out how it's sticking to undo it!
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We have a 2010 Camry XLE Waiting to hear from them myself. The national news said it did not effect the ones made in Japan. That is where mine was built.
Camry wasn't included, and they're actually made by Subaru Indiana here in the states.
Regardless of how serious the problem is, I’d applaud Toyota for putting a stop on both manufacturing & sales on curtain models as you’ll never see any of the Big 3 doing that at any cost.
Regardless of how serious the problem is, I’d applaud Toyota for putting a stop on both manufacturing & sales on curtain models as you’ll never see any of the Big 3 doing that at any cost.
The "big 3" haven't had something so serious like this that I can remember. And generally, when the recall was announced, the fixed part was already engineered and placed into the production stream. If you know of anything... list it here.
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The "big 3" haven't had something so serious like this that I can remember. And generally, when the recall was announced, the fixed part was already engineered and placed into the production stream. If you know of anything... list it here.
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Not a very proud moment for Iacocca, but that was nearly 40 years ago. Basically, a different era entirely, and any Toyota of the time would have been an instant death trap too.
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I found this article while trying to look up some stats:
In typical Japanese fashion, it appears that Toyota is trying to sweep anything humiliating under the rug.
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The "big 3" haven't had something so serious like this that I can remember. And generally, when the recall was announced, the fixed part was already engineered and placed into the production stream. If you know of anything... list it here.
I agree, SSR71.
This problem has been known for many months while Toyota has been dodging responsibility and pointing fingers.
Doesn't anyone else find it suspicious how the media has been so forgiving and understanding in contrast to how they've handled recalls from the Big 3 over the years?
Not a very proud moment for Iacocca, but that was nearly 40 years ago. Basically, a different era entirely, and any Toyota of the time would have been an instant death trap too.
I got to thinking about this one a bit more... and yes, the design was bad... very bad and Ford knew it. They acknowledged after the fact that they calculated the costs of settling cases out of court was cheaper than fixing the problem. So, the car just died off even though the design was corrected. It couldn't survive the image of the firebomb it had been made into. Still, the flaw there required the car to get hit from behind. The car itself didn't just explode on its own.
And how about the GM pickups with the "defective" side mount fuel tanks. Gee, it was like that for hundreds of thousands of vehicles for decades and suddenly it was a defect? Another not-so-great design, but not really a defect. How many thousands of them are still on the road today?
Here, Toyota has a clear design flaw that causes the driver to lose control of the vehicle. It's not the first one they've issued, and its not the first recall for this particular problem.
I feel it's time that people ignore the decades of the brainwashing that Toyota makes "perfect" vehicles and realize that their growth to #1 has led to big problems. One of the sites I came across looking for the stats had some comments about "oh, it's only the cars made in America that are being recalled". So what? They're not all designed here, not all the parts are made here, and it's still Toyota's responsibility, not the American workers to fix the problem.
As for me, I'm sticking with our domestic brands. I have never had any serious problems with my vehicles, and recalls over a rusty ABS sensor or tailgate cable to me is a pittance.
And I feel that safer roads should deal a lot more with proper driver training and behavior than with trying to overcome stupidity.
Supplier of pedals pushes responsibility onto Toyota
Robert Sherefkin
Automotive News | January 27, 2010 - 4:44 pm EST
DETROIT -- The auto parts supplier fingered in Toyota Motor Corp.’s recent recall for faulty accelerator pedals says it built parts to the automaker’s specifications and says it has no knowledge that its parts were responsible for any accidents or injuries.
CTS Corp. continues to supply its accelerator modules to Toyota, and the Elkhart, Ind. supplier has no knowledge of any Toyota plan for increased production of a new design to meet additional demand for replacement parts, Mitchell Walorski, head of CTS investor relations, said.
After a Jan. 21 recall, Toyota said yesterday that it would halt sales of eight of its most popular models in the United States because of fears that sticking accelerator pedals may cause its vehicles to accelerate unintentionally.
Mitchell Walorski, head of CTS Corp. investor relations, said the Elkhart, Ind., supplier is not part of the problem. CTS has “no knowledge of any accident or injury” stemming from the accelerator assemblies it supplies Toyota, he said.
Walorski told Automotive News today that CTS engineers are assisting Toyota, “but this is their recall.” CTS was not consulted about Toyota’s decision to issue the recall or to halt certain vehicles’ sales, he said.
In a separate statement, CTS said the company has been working with Toyota to develop a new pedal to meet tougher specifications from Toyota.
“The newly designed pedal is now tested, and parts are beginning to ship to some Toyota factories,” CTS said.
Toyota described the cause of the recall as “a rare set of conditions which may cause the accelerator pedal to become harder to depress, slower to return or, in the worst case, stuck in a partially depressed position.” Toyota said this condition “is rare and occurs gradually over a period of time.”
Based on information from Toyota, CTS said, “We are aware of fewer than a dozen instances where this condition has occurred, and in no instance did the accelerator actually become stuck in a partially depressed condition.”
A Toyota spokesman could not immediately be reached to comment on CTS’ role in the recall. A Toyota spokesman earlier confirmed that the components were made in Canada by CTS.
Walorski said CTS works closely to Toyota specifications, adding: “Toyota is heavily involved in all stages of testing and production. That is why their quality is so high.”
CTS recorded 2008 sales of $691.7 million, with about 3 percent of that going to Toyota. CTS designs and manufactures sensors and actuators, including accelerator-pedal modules, at its plant in Mississauga, Ontario, according to the CTS Web site.
Asked how CTS feels about being in the limelight of Toyota’s troubles, Walorski said, “It doesn’t feel good.”
Toyota recalls another 1.1 million vehicles to fix floor mats
Hans Greimel
Automotive News | January 27, 2010 - 10:44 pm EST
TOKYO -- Toyota Motor Corp., battling an escalating crisis over the safety of its vehicles, said it will recall another 1.1 million autos in the United States to fix floor mats that may jam accelerator pedals and cause unintended acceleration.
The action is an extension of last fall's recall, in which the world's largest automaker called back 4.3 million vehicles in its largest ever U.S. safety action.
Today's amended recall involves 2008-10 Highlanders and 2009-2010 Corollas, Venzas, and Matrixes, Toyota said in a statement. The action also covers 2009-2010 Pontiac Vibes made in a joint venture with General Motors Co.
The move comes a day after Toyota said it would halt sales and temporarily suspend production of 2.3 million U.S. vehicles recalled last week for sticking accelerator pedals. That issue is separate from the floor mat concern, though both may result in vehicles accelerating unintentionally out of a driver's control.
“We added these vehicles after some reports were received by the federal government of pedals getting trapped on secured floor mats,” said Brian Lyons, a Toyota spokesman for recall issues. “We heard it's a very small number.”
The carmaker's remedy calls for modifying or replacing accelerator pedals and possibly changing the floor surface to reduce the possibility of pedal entrapment.
Dealers will be instructed how to reshape the pedal as a quick fix, and replacement pedals will be shipped to them as the components become available. Toyota will also replace all-weather floor mats with a newly designed mat.
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I got to thinking about this one a bit more... and yes, the design was bad... very bad and Ford knew it. They acknowledged after the fact that they calculated the costs of settling cases out of court was cheaper than fixing the problem. So, the car just died off even though the design was corrected. It couldn't survive the image of the firebomb it had been made into. Still, the flaw there required the car to get hit from behind. The car itself didn't just explode on its own.
And how about the GM pickups with the "defective" side mount fuel tanks. Gee, it was like that for hundreds of thousands of vehicles for decades and suddenly it was a defect? Another not-so-great design, but not really a defect. How many thousands of them are still on the road today?
Here, Toyota has a clear design flaw that causes the driver to lose control of the vehicle. It's not the first one they've issued, and its not the first recall for this particular problem.
I feel it's time that people ignore the decades of the brainwashing that Toyota makes "perfect" vehicles and realize that their growth to #1 has led to big problems. One of the sites I came across looking for the stats had some comments about "oh, it's only the cars made in America that are being recalled". So what? They're not all designed here, not all the parts are made here, and it's still Toyota's responsibility, not the American workers to fix the problem.
As for me, I'm sticking with our domestic brands. I have never had any serious problems with my vehicles, and recalls over a rusty ABS sensor or tailgate cable to me is a pittance.
And I feel that safer roads should deal a lot more with proper driver training and behavior than with trying to overcome stupidity.
OK I agree with you....but I am also sticking with Honda along with our domestic. I've owned so many and and had nothing but the best from Honda.
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I got to thinking about this one a bit more... and yes, the design was bad... very bad and Ford knew it. They acknowledged after the fact that they calculated the costs of settling cases out of court was cheaper than fixing the problem. So, the car just died off even though the design was corrected. It couldn't survive the image of the firebomb it had been made into. Still, the flaw there required the car to get hit from behind. The car itself didn't just explode on its own.
And how about the GM pickups with the "defective" side mount fuel tanks. Gee, it was like that for hundreds of thousands of vehicles for decades and suddenly it was a defect? Another not-so-great design, but not really a defect. How many thousands of them are still on the road today?
Here, Toyota has a clear design flaw that causes the driver to lose control of the vehicle. It's not the first one they've issued, and its not the first recall for this particular problem.
I feel it's time that people ignore the decades of the brainwashing that Toyota makes "perfect" vehicles and realize that their growth to #1 has led to big problems. One of the sites I came across looking for the stats had some comments about "oh, it's only the cars made in America that are being recalled". So what? They're not all designed here, not all the parts are made here, and it's still Toyota's responsibility, not the American workers to fix the problem.
As for me, I'm sticking with our domestic brands. I have never had any serious problems with my vehicles, and recalls over a rusty ABS sensor or tailgate cable to me is a pittance.
And I feel that safer roads should deal a lot more with proper driver training and behavior than with trying to overcome stupidity.
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Kevin, very well said! 
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