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My SSR overheated yesterday and the repair shop says the cooling fan failed and it is a $1,500 part. The Tech Forum back in May 2011 has pictures where JimBob performed a relatively simple repair. Has anyone tried this repair and found it to work? Alternate idea; does anyone know of a rebuilder for this item vs replacement?
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For that kind of money you could drive down to Phoenix and have Mike install one of his Super Fans in about ten minutes and still have lots of money left over.

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My SSR overheated yesterday and the repair shop says the cooling fan failed and it is a $1,500 part. The Tech Forum back in May 2011 has pictures where JimBob performed a relatively simple repair. Has anyone tried this repair and found it to work? Alternate idea; does anyone know of a rebuilder for this item vs replacement?
I repaired mine way back in 2008 or so, it is not hard to do. When mine failed at 10k miles I repaired it and worked until 70k miles later when I sold it and I am sure it is still working today. The problem is small sand particles preventing brush contact and it does not happen often but when it does.........

While I agree that a new fan is nice there is nothing wrong with the OEM. Yes, the new one pushes more air because it has a shroud that the OEM does not. Even the aftermarket ones fail due to dirt, not as often but I have seen it.

I would say try the repair yourself and see what happens, I would surely not spend $1500 on a new OEM, that would be ridiculous. Either get Mikes aftermarket unit or get a used OEM. I have 2 OEM fans sitting on the shelf that I thought I might need sometime but that day never came.
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Mike is right...... there have been a number of people who successfully cleaned/repaired their fan and made it work again.

The repair of the OEM fan does work on many, but I have seen the internal one-ohm resistor mechanically failed on about 10% of the fans that stop working. The result of this type failure is that low speed is inop.

If you are dead set on installing an OEM fan (15816298), you can use the AC Delco part number (15-80909) to possibly find it cheaper.

Currently, the OEM GM part number fan retails for $1267.84 and you can find it online in the neighborhood of $685.

The AC Delco unit retails for the same $1267.84, but can be bought as low as $565.

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Oppppsss, thanks for pointing out the resistor Mike. I forgot about that failure point, I have never seen one go bad but I do not see the number of failed fans you do.
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My SSR overheated yesterday and the repair shop says the cooling fan failed and it is a $1,500 part. The Tech Forum back in May 2011 has pictures where JimBob performed a relatively simple repair. Has anyone tried this repair and found it to work? Alternate idea; does anyone know of a rebuilder for this item vs replacement?
Easy answer !
Call Mike and order his fan !
Much cheaper option then OEM Fan .
More air flow .
Super easy instal and looks like it should've been there in the first place .Dave
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Oppppsss, thanks for pointing out the resistor Mike. I forgot about that failure point, I have never seen one go bad but I do not see the number of failed fans you do.
No big deal, Mike...... I do a lot of telephone troubleshooting and the symptoms are pretty easy to spot..... Here’s the tell-tale signs....

With the A/C off and in stop and go traffic the temperature swings all the way to 235 and then the fan kicks onto high speed until it gets down to 226 and then shuts off.
With the A/C on, the fan does not run on low speed, but kicks to high speed when the Freon pressure reaches the second level and then shuts off when it comes down to “normal” range.

You can easily see that this set of symptoms is identical to a low speed relay failure. The true test is when you disconnect the fan and test across the 3 pin connector. A failed internal fan resistor will result in the center pin (low speed power) being open to the other two. If there is 1 or 2 ohms resistance between the pins, then the relay is suspect.

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Look for: COOLING SYSTEM and RADIATOR FAN INSTALL.

May help in your decision.

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Look for: COOLING SYSTEM and RADIATOR FAN INSTALL.

May help in your decision.

I replaced 4 OEM V/W fans in the last month.

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1. OEM V/W fan about $1200. plus install at Dealer.
2. Mikes USA Made fan, pulls 30% more CFM, about $375. including freight, 15 minute install.

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Do I recall you telling me that another benefit to Mike's fan is that it kicks on at lower temperature settings both high & low?
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Do I recall you telling me that another benefit to Mike's fan is that it kicks on at lower temperature settings both high & low?
That would be if you get a tune. The temp settings are made with the tune. The fan doe not have any temp sensors.
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BlueStreak is correct! Only licensed tuner can set/change fan speeds.

Speeds are set in ECM and can only be changed by going into the ECM computer.

Dealer can not change Fan setting by Law, factory set.

Tuner can set LOW at 192 and HIGH at 210, this eliminates overheating from fan setting.

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BlueStreak is correct! Only licensed tuner can set/change fan speeds.

Speeds are set in ECM and can only be changed by going into the ECM computer.


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Well, a "tuner" can be someone you hire that has software or it can be a handheld programmer like a Predator or Superchips, etc...... If you have a hand held you can change fan turn on settings at various levels at will. You do not have to install a different computer "tune" for engine performance, you can just change the fan temp, or just change the tire size or etc.....

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Thank you everyone for the response. I ordered the replacement or upgrade cooling fan from Simple Engr. and I am now anxiously awaiting delivery.
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Well, a "tuner" can be someone you hire that has software or it can be a handheld programmer like a Predator or Superchips, etc...... If you have a hand held you can change fan turn on settings at various levels at will. You do not have to install a different computer "tune" for engine performance, you can just change the fan temp, or just change the tire size or etc.....
I didn't know that Mike, I was told you have to be licensed Tuner to change setting.

Never tried it.

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We replaced our fan with one from simple engineering. Problem solved no more over heating and we tow a Boston Whaler boat with our Roadster. Very simple to change out.

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I'd ask Mike what he suggests, he knows more about fans than anyone.

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Mike will walk you through the testing if you get him on the phone. That way you will not do collateral damage if there is a repairable issue.


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Check the fan "plug-in connectors" the terminals have been known to arc and burn up. Unplug the connection at the fan and look in both connectors to make sure they are OK. If they are bad ,Mike sells replacements. Hope this helps.
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If one of my fans stops working, pick up the phone and call me.

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I’d much rather get one-on-one with you and troubleshoot it. My fans have a 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty....... With 2300 in service, an occasional failure does happen......

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If one of my fans stops working, pick up the phone and call me.

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I’d much rather get one-on-one with you and troubleshoot it. My fans have a 5 year, 50,000 mile warranty....... With 2300 in service, an occasional failure does happen......

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It can't, the fan itself don't decide at what temp it start, the pcm does. If you want to limit the temp to thermostat opening temp, just turn on the ac, even with top down and voila
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I am selling my SSR to a friend but I have an issue... my SSR overheats (dash warning light comes on) whenever I have the AC on and am stopped. As soon as I start to move (within a block or two), the temperature immediately drops to a normal range. I checked the fan operation and both high and low speed fan operation are as designed. I was thinking that leaving the factory fan in place and adding Mike's auxiliary fan kit would be the best option but I'm (somewhat) open to advice/suggestions.

Here's my thinking...

Auxiliary fan ~ $240
- The factory fan works and is doing the best it can.
- The auxiliary fan will help the factory fan
- I can program the auxiliary fan to come on sooner and run longer (after the SSR is shut off).
- Being able to adjust the on/off temps eliminates the need to buy a programmer to reprogram the factory computer.

Downside:
- I'm still trusting the factory fan to keep on working.

Obviously, another option is to buy one of Mike's better replacement fans.
But I lose the ability to customize the on/off temps unless I buy a computer reprogram controller.

Direct replacement ~ $390
Heavy duty ~ $480

BTW, I live in Dallas, TX and this is already an issue and we haven't even hit hot temperatures yet.

I wanted to read the auxiliary fan installation instructions but the link doesn't work. Does anyone have the instructions?

I my past, I would have simply made a shroud for the factory fan like GM should have done. $10 in materials and less than a day's work. But these days my time is too valuable.

Again, thanks for any input.
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You can do some reading. How to Library: Look up COOLING SYSTEM also RADIATOR FAN INSTALL.

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I would check/change reservoir cap, $10 at Advance. Flush radiator, set LOW speed at 193 degrees HIGH 210 degrees.

OEM settings to high!

Dealer can not/will not change fans speed setting because of Federal Emission Standards.

Go to Corvette Speed Shop, they can set them.

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