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Yes you are correct but I do like working on my own stuff.
Then do it yourself. No shop needed. Are you prepared to pay for the tickets? Or are you going to just drive in your own State?
 

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Why would he get tickets?
In Texas he would not get a ticket or would be thrown out quickly. No penalties here for no mufflers.

A out of state SSR also would not be legally ticketed in another state as long as your just visiting.

I carry TX state muffler codes in my glove box for educational purposes in law enforcement.
 

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Blue Streak is from California and they can and will ticket or even impound a vehicle for non stock exhaust. I am on a racing forum and there was a guy who video taped his encounter with a CHP officer and he was prepared to prove he could drive his car on the roads there. He was sadly mistaken and the video ended with his car being impounded and taken away on a roll back. Not sure if out of state plates would get you cleared either, because it seems their laws are for operating a vehicle in their state. Not if it is registered in their state.
 

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Ah yes... the socialist state of California, where everyone has to conform (except homeless people and criminals).

You're good to "run what ya brung" here in New Mexico.
Your speed limits do not apply elsewhere, why should your pollution/noise rules? Same thing is true of flashing Red and Blue lights (especially Foward facing).
 
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This post reminds me of our golf league current "rule" on (gimme putts). Rather than use a specific length as "OK, good" or not.............the rule is (Reasonable and Prudent).

Our league captain many years ago, was driving thru Montana and came upon their Speed Limit sign. It said "reasonable and prudent" for the conditions.;)
 

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This post reminds me of our golf league current "rule" on (gimme putts). Rather than use a specific length as "OK, good" or not.............the rule is (Reasonable and Prudent).

Our league captain many years ago, was driving thru Montana and came upon their Speed Limit sign. It said "reasonable and prudent" for the conditions.;)
California used to have "Reasonable and Proper unless otherwise posted" as a speed limit, but them we got too many drivers that did not have any common sense.:mad:
 

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That might explain why there aren't any SSR International Rallys in CA.

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Or it could be that most of California is about as far as you can get from the the center of the U.S. and Canadian population centers and still be on the continent.
 

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For those that really want to know how you have been screwed.

When you bought your automobile from the dealer, the salesman said that they would take care of the paperwork for you so you won't have to do it. What they don't tell you is that the DMV requires them, to send the Certificate of Manufacture to the DMV and which is the true ownership Certificate, then they convert your Automobile into a Motor vehicle, and under their law, it is now a commercial vehicle.

Basically, they have been coercing you to register your private property (car, truck, trailer, etc.) which grants them an unearned ownership interest in your property, and which also, in this case, requires you to mischaracterize your private conveyance as a "Motor Vehicle" in the process. Misidentifying your car or truck as a Motor Vehicle subjects it to the Motor Vehicle Code and admits on the Public Record that you are using your private car to engage in Commerce.

Commerce is business between two or more incorporated businesses.

Are you an incorporated business? Are you using your car to conduct business for a corporation? Probably not, so far as you know, but unknown to you, they have also "conferred" a Federal Municipal CITIZENSHIP on you, and used that as an excuse to bring you under their coercive control as a PERSON presumed to be using a "Motor Vehicle" in "interstate commerce".

... (The Motor Vehicle Act classifies) drivers of automobiles into two classes, one professional chauffeurs, and requiring them to obtain a license, and pay an annual license fee of $2.00, the other embracing all others, who are not required to secure a license or pay a license fee, is sound classification, and not arbitrary, so as to constitute special legislation. - Ex Parte Stork, 167 Cal 294. The Supreme Court of California Feb 24, 1914 - footnote inparamateria. Further confirmed in Beamon v. DMV (1960), 180. App.2d 200,4 Cal. Rpter396.

Automobile vs. Motor Vehicle: What's the Difference?

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While the two terms are often interchanged, generally, an automobile is something a free man privately drives, and a motor vehicle is considered a commercial vehicle to which the state can more easily attach regulations.

The term ‘motor vehicle’ is different and broader than the word ‘automobile". - [City of Dayton vs. DeBrosse, 23 NE.2d 647, 650; 62 Ohio App. 232]

t is a jury question whether ... an automobile ... is a motor vehicle[.]United States v Johnson, 718 F.2d 1317, 1324 (5th Cir. 1983).

Thus self-driven vehicles are classified according to the use to which they are put rather than according to the means by which they are propelled - Ex Parte Hoffert, 148 NW 20

The word ‘automobile’ connotes a pleasure vehicle designed for the transportation of persons on highways. - American Mutual Liability Ins. Co., vs. Chaput, 60 A.2d 118, 120; 95 NH 200

A motor vehicle or automobile for hire is a motor vehicle, other than an automobile stage, used for the transportation of persons for which remuneration is received. - [International Motor Transit Co. vs. Seattle, 251 P. 120, 122]

(6) Motor Vehicle. - The term "motor vehicle" means every description of carriage or other contrivance propelled or drawn by mechanical power and used for commercial purposes on the highways in the transportation of passengers, or passengers and property. -18 USC Part 1 Chapter 2 section 31 definitions

Used for commercial purposes" means the carriage of persons or property for any fee, rate, charge or other consideration, or directly or indirectly in connection with any business, or other undertaking intended for profit. - 18 USC Part 1 Chapter 2 section 31 definitions

The word 'operator' shall not include any person who solely transports his own property and who transports no persons or property for hire or compensation. - Statutes at Large California Chapter 412 p.83

A soldier's personal automobile is part of his ‘household goods. - U.S. v Bomar C.A.5(Tex.), 8 F.3d 226, 235. 19A Words and Phrases - Permanent Edition (West) pocket part 94.

The Motor Vehicle Act is not unconstitutional as making an arbitrary and unwarranted classification, in that it requires professional chauffeurs, or drivers of motor vehicles for hire, to pay an annual license but exempts all others operators of such vehicles from tax and regulation. - [In the Matter of Application of Stork (1914), 167 Cal, 294,295]
 
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