DiabloSport Tuning Questions Here..
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The first thing i would suggest is to adjust the shift speed and firmness. Shift speed set at -12 and firmness set at +15 on Part throttle and I like +20 on firmness for wot and a - 15 on speed/
Yes it does allow for the fans to turn onat what ever temp you want but be crefull.. I have seen several that wind up having the fans run almost constantly after the t-stats open ups.
A good setting for Fan 1 is off at 190 and on at 200 , fan 2 I would suggest off at 195 and on at 210.
Also you can bump the rev limiter up to 6200 rpm for 1-3 gears and I leave 4th alone... I just do not see anyone pulling 6200 in OD.
You can alos raise the speed limiter if you are into the highspeed stuff.
Yes it does allow for the fans to turn onat what ever temp you want but be crefull.. I have seen several that wind up having the fans run almost constantly after the t-stats open ups.
A good setting for Fan 1 is off at 190 and on at 200 , fan 2 I would suggest off at 195 and on at 210.
Also you can bump the rev limiter up to 6200 rpm for 1-3 gears and I leave 4th alone... I just do not see anyone pulling 6200 in OD.
You can alos raise the speed limiter if you are into the highspeed stuff.
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Boosted: I assume someone using LS Edit to do a dyno tune could also do these changes as part of that effort?
Jim G
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What are the advantages of the Diablosport vs the Hypertech unit?
I just received an email this morning from Hypertech letting me know that they have released a tuner for the 2005 SSR/LS2.
2005 SSR Silver
2003 SSR Yellow (gone)
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I just received an email this morning from Hypertech letting me know that they have released a tuner for the 2005 SSR/LS2.
2005 SSR Silver
2003 SSR Yellow (gone)
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Our other cars: 2005 SL65 Pewter / 2005 G55 Graphite / 2005 SRT-10 Viper Yellow / 2005 SSR Silver / 2004 Gallardo Yellow / 2004 NSX Black / 2004 Z06 Machine Silver / 2004 H2 White / 2002 Candy Red Prowler + 2001 Orange Prowler + 2001 Silver Prowler / 2002 35th Anniversary Camaro SS Convertible / 1970 Black Chevy SWB Pick up / 1969 Garnet Red Camaro SS 350 / 1969 Chevelle SS 396 / 1969 Impala SS 427 / 1968 Chevy Step Side Truck L98/700r4 / 1967 Hugger Orange Camaro 400 / 1966 GTO / 1955 Yellow Chevrolet Truck / 1934 Ford Sedan / 1930 Ford Hiboy Coupe 302 5spd
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I have used the Hypertechs before and from past experince Hypertech is a bit conservative on there tunes. They give you a little but that is it. Also the diablosport tuners have the ability of makeing custom tunes and downloading them. Hypertech really does not give all the features to you like diablosport does.
Now I sound like a salesman...Sheesh! :lol
I guess the easyiest way is this... Hypertech is more programmer..Set programs that yo choose between, Diablosport is a tuner. They come with some tunes for 87 and 93 octane but they also give you the ability to custom tune it and change a ton or parameters.
Now I sound like a salesman...Sheesh! :lol
I guess the easyiest way is this... Hypertech is more programmer..Set programs that yo choose between, Diablosport is a tuner. They come with some tunes for 87 and 93 octane but they also give you the ability to custom tune it and change a ton or parameters.
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I have not actually used either the Hypertech or the Diablo, BUT have researched and read the user instructions for Hypertech, Diablo, and Superchips Microtuner, and agree with Boosted: the Diablo easily offers the most adjustability.
Find the instructions online at either their websites or one of their dealer websites, and see for yourself.
The interface on the Predator is also much more intuitive.
I WAS going to go for the Predator after doing the research, until I found a shop here in Atlanta, where I am on temp assignment, who can do an actual dyno tune using LS Edit. That approach is superior to ANY of the storebought tuners, if you can bring yourself to spend the money ($500 to $600 from what I have seen so far), as a SKILLED tuner with a dyno and LS Edit can optimize things for your YOUR SPECIFIC engine, vehicle, and objectives, rather than using a "one size fits all" engine parameters program.
But, for those who don't want to spend the extra money, or want the ease of rapid self-service restoration of the stock factory program before they go in for warranty work, or don't want to subject their prone-to-run hot SSR to a dyno session, or just don't have convenient access to a dyno and skileld tuner, the Predator offers an awful lot for relatively low cost.
One caution I noted when I read the Superchips instructions: They noted that SOMETIMES (not always), the battery has to be physically disconnected for a time and then reconnected (see the Superchips instructions for details on when and why), which is a PAIN with our underfloor mounted SSR batteries, and certainly inconvenient if not in your own garage at the time! Presumably, this can also apply with a Predator installation, since both the Superchips and the Diablo Predator both seem to use the same basic programmer underneath the different interfaces and customized capabilities.
Jim G
Find the instructions online at either their websites or one of their dealer websites, and see for yourself.
The interface on the Predator is also much more intuitive.
I WAS going to go for the Predator after doing the research, until I found a shop here in Atlanta, where I am on temp assignment, who can do an actual dyno tune using LS Edit. That approach is superior to ANY of the storebought tuners, if you can bring yourself to spend the money ($500 to $600 from what I have seen so far), as a SKILLED tuner with a dyno and LS Edit can optimize things for your YOUR SPECIFIC engine, vehicle, and objectives, rather than using a "one size fits all" engine parameters program.
But, for those who don't want to spend the extra money, or want the ease of rapid self-service restoration of the stock factory program before they go in for warranty work, or don't want to subject their prone-to-run hot SSR to a dyno session, or just don't have convenient access to a dyno and skileld tuner, the Predator offers an awful lot for relatively low cost.
One caution I noted when I read the Superchips instructions: They noted that SOMETIMES (not always), the battery has to be physically disconnected for a time and then reconnected (see the Superchips instructions for details on when and why), which is a PAIN with our underfloor mounted SSR batteries, and certainly inconvenient if not in your own garage at the time! Presumably, this can also apply with a Predator installation, since both the Superchips and the Diablo Predator both seem to use the same basic programmer underneath the different interfaces and customized capabilities.
Jim G
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eCurtis: I have no knowledge on the Jet Chips. Sorry.
On the transmission firmness: Someone more knowledgeable than me will hopefully chime in, but I BELIEVE that it is SOFT shifts that actually wear our the transmission faster, since they achieve softness by slipping the clutches more during engagement. I'm pretty sure I have read that in more than one place.
But, the concerns about u-joints and other driveline parts are valid. You don't want to overdo the firmness. The stock "firmness" however strikes me as VERY far from the conern limits! I think you can safely firm them up a fair bit!!
Jim G
On the transmission firmness: Someone more knowledgeable than me will hopefully chime in, but I BELIEVE that it is SOFT shifts that actually wear our the transmission faster, since they achieve softness by slipping the clutches more during engagement. I'm pretty sure I have read that in more than one place.
But, the concerns about u-joints and other driveline parts are valid. You don't want to overdo the firmness. The stock "firmness" however strikes me as VERY far from the conern limits! I think you can safely firm them up a fair bit!!
Jim G
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Hey Boosted and others. I am new to the forum and new to the SSR. Took delivery
of my '04 black beauty just last night.
Boosted I will be taking you up on your kind offer of help with the diablo tuner. I ordered one this morning from Jegs. I used the hypertech III on my 98 WS6 Firebird but after reading about the many other options that the diablo offers, the few extra dollars seemed well worth it.
I'm sure we'll be seeing each other in these pages. peace Bud :seeya
Hey Boosted and others. I am new to the forum and new to the SSR. Took delivery
of my '04 black beauty just last night.
Boosted I will be taking you up on your kind offer of help with the diablo tuner. I ordered one this morning from Jegs. I used the hypertech III on my 98 WS6 Firebird but after reading about the many other options that the diablo offers, the few extra dollars seemed well worth it.
I'm sure we'll be seeing each other in these pages. peace Bud :seeya
Thanks for the offer of help and tuning advice. I used mine last night for the first time and then played with it today a little more. I agree that the shifts need to be around 20% and quickness increased as well. You are also correct that not as good as the "shift kits" we used to install in cars to get tire chirping shifts but still well worth it. I used the premium fuel grade performance tune and I have to say it does "feel" quicker.
My real question is what is the deal with what they call "torque management"? It has options for off, on or unchanged. When does this come into play and what actually will we be modifying? My objective was to firm up the part throttle shifts AND really firm up and quicken the WOT shifts. I can't seem to get the WOT shifts as quick and firm as I expected. Is this the torque management kicking in?
Additionally, I'd like to put my SSR on the dyno and modify the fuel curves and timing under the proper assistance of a trained dyno/tuner operator WITH the equipment to read air/fuel ratios etc. My 2000 C5 Vette was VERY lean in the middle rpm range, especially after I added the cat back exhaust and better cold air intake. I assume the SSR can benefit from the same changes but will need to be tuned properly. Will a tuner use my Diablosport tuner or insist on their own program tweaks?
Sorry for all the questions but you did offer to help.
Thanks in advance for any input you can provide.
I just wanted to ad that the instructions are very easy to follow as well as the procedure to "install" the performance tune as well as modifying it.
PS. I have a G Tech meter and will be doing some "stock" and "modified" (tuned) 0-60 runs and a few 1/4 mile runs hopefully this weekend. I'll post the results here so everyone can see if what I feel as more performance is in fact happening.
My real question is what is the deal with what they call "torque management"? It has options for off, on or unchanged. When does this come into play and what actually will we be modifying? My objective was to firm up the part throttle shifts AND really firm up and quicken the WOT shifts. I can't seem to get the WOT shifts as quick and firm as I expected. Is this the torque management kicking in?
Additionally, I'd like to put my SSR on the dyno and modify the fuel curves and timing under the proper assistance of a trained dyno/tuner operator WITH the equipment to read air/fuel ratios etc. My 2000 C5 Vette was VERY lean in the middle rpm range, especially after I added the cat back exhaust and better cold air intake. I assume the SSR can benefit from the same changes but will need to be tuned properly. Will a tuner use my Diablosport tuner or insist on their own program tweaks?
Sorry for all the questions but you did offer to help.
Thanks in advance for any input you can provide.
I just wanted to ad that the instructions are very easy to follow as well as the procedure to "install" the performance tune as well as modifying it.
PS. I have a G Tech meter and will be doing some "stock" and "modified" (tuned) 0-60 runs and a few 1/4 mile runs hopefully this weekend. I'll post the results here so everyone can see if what I feel as more performance is in fact happening.
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hpdjv:
1. Did you in fact have to disconnect the battery at any point?
2. It would be really great to get those before and after performance stats publsihed on this board, so we have actual numbers to look at. I will be trying to get some 0 to 60 times in the next few days before I get my rear axle ratio changed (see my separate posting on that) so that I can do the same before/after comparison for the axle ratio change.
Jim G
1. Did you in fact have to disconnect the battery at any point?
2. It would be really great to get those before and after performance stats publsihed on this board, so we have actual numbers to look at. I will be trying to get some 0 to 60 times in the next few days before I get my rear axle ratio changed (see my separate posting on that) so that I can do the same before/after comparison for the axle ratio change.
Jim G
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You do not disconnect the battery for any reason during a program install. There is no need in doing so after the install either. I have the diablosport on my SSR and it works great.
To those who are wanting one shop around....The Diablosport can be bought for $399. Jim a place between me and you sells them for that right now...
I do recommend that everyone turns the Abuse mode to Off. My dealer told me that they can look aththat data to help in warranty repairs... No data no worry!
hpdjv Tq managment is GM's way of putting a weaker transmission in a vehicle to save some money. Ok fellas hold off on the attack for now. What it does is limit the amount of tq that is being put through the transmission by way of timing retard and fuel management.
When you turn the tq managment off you will notice that the transmission feels soft..Crank the presure all the way up and it is still soft. I for one leave it turned on and the downside to it being off is way worse than the positive. What is happening with it off and you are WOT is that it is actualy blowing by the clutch's during the gear change, thus making the transmission slip. We all know what happens if you do this enough...No more shifty...
As far as putting it on the dyno and programming it that should be of little concern also. You might have to be the one to turn the fuel curve up some or adjust the timing curve as the dyno man may have not used the Diablosport. Or you can get him t the screens and let him do it
Please let us know the diffrence with before and after..I can feel it in mine.
rgtrough I am glad to help with anything I can...You can post it here or send me a PM and I will give you my number.
Peaches I for one believe that the transmissions are set up this way for those people who do not like the firm shift..They want it to float into every gear and ride like it is on ice. A faster shift with a firm feel will outlast any sloppy one. The downside?....I can't think of one right now...LOL
JIM If you want to after you get your gears installed we can go some where and run them against each other. Numbers are fine but I like to see the real worl distance diffrence... :flag
To those who are wanting one shop around....The Diablosport can be bought for $399. Jim a place between me and you sells them for that right now...
I do recommend that everyone turns the Abuse mode to Off. My dealer told me that they can look aththat data to help in warranty repairs... No data no worry!
hpdjv Tq managment is GM's way of putting a weaker transmission in a vehicle to save some money. Ok fellas hold off on the attack for now. What it does is limit the amount of tq that is being put through the transmission by way of timing retard and fuel management.
When you turn the tq managment off you will notice that the transmission feels soft..Crank the presure all the way up and it is still soft. I for one leave it turned on and the downside to it being off is way worse than the positive. What is happening with it off and you are WOT is that it is actualy blowing by the clutch's during the gear change, thus making the transmission slip. We all know what happens if you do this enough...No more shifty...
As far as putting it on the dyno and programming it that should be of little concern also. You might have to be the one to turn the fuel curve up some or adjust the timing curve as the dyno man may have not used the Diablosport. Or you can get him t the screens and let him do it
Please let us know the diffrence with before and after..I can feel it in mine.
rgtrough I am glad to help with anything I can...You can post it here or send me a PM and I will give you my number.
Peaches I for one believe that the transmissions are set up this way for those people who do not like the firm shift..They want it to float into every gear and ride like it is on ice. A faster shift with a firm feel will outlast any sloppy one. The downside?....I can't think of one right now...LOL
JIM If you want to after you get your gears installed we can go some where and run them against each other. Numbers are fine but I like to see the real worl distance diffrence... :flag
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How about the 05? Is that what we are talking here??Thanks, Fred
How about the 05? Is that what we are talking here??Thanks, Fred
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