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I have a 04 "Smokin Asphalt" that has a brown tint in the color when in direct sunlight. The rubber and fiberglass parts are darker than the body panels. Looks crazy. With past GM Black vehicles this was a sign of a thin base coat before the factory applied the clear coat and called for a factory repaint. The GM rep has looked at it and claims that "Smokin Asphalt" is not Black but a lighter shade of black. I paint custom Street Rods and went and purchase a pint of PPG "Smokin Asphalt" and painted a test panel. It wasn't Black but didn't have such a brown tint as my truck. I have noticed other SSR's having the similar brown tint in the color in the direct sunlight also. Anyone else seen it on theirs?
 

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Yes, All of the smokin' asphalt SSRs I've seen have this problem. I build street rods too and use PPG paint .This reoccurs when painting the plastic parts especially.
 

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My SA seems to be black after and good wax.

As it goes away with time, in comes the brown.

I don't know about the direct sunshine, I live the the Pacific NW.

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I didn't notice it for weeks!

my tonnau (hard top cover) has been repainted for some reason before I aquired black beauty, in the morning or afternoon sun the repaint looks really black compaired to the smok'n color.
mabie I have a picture that it shows :flag
yep if you look closely you can see the difference between the hood & the ajoining trim panel I had blacked out
 

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Mine has the same color shading effect in low angle daylight. I guest that's they call it smokin asphalt.
 

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Haven't noticed a brown color, but I did notice whitish spots on my drivers rear fender. Looks like acid rain spots? Only they aren't anywhere else. Clay bar didn't remove them. Taking her in to see if paint is warranted for this. Any chance I can make em paint the whole vehicle if it is?
 

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Black Isn't Black

As you painters already know or at least should know, Black isn't Black, and hasn't been for many years.
Every car company has a differant shade of black as do factory to factory. some are a brownish black, greenish black, redish black, blueish black, etc.
I aquired a Black and White color variations deck from PPG some 15 years ago, and you can really see a diffrerance if you take the deck outside and fan out the deck. This deck has approximately 50 differant Whites and 50 differant Blacks. Today there are a few more new black colors out, since paint companies are continually search for better coverage pigments as well as color fast and color sliding pigments(changes color shade as you move from one angle to another).
Another thing to think about is that depending on the color of base primer you can slao have two differant shades of color (this is called metamerizm). A grey primer base will apprear lighter than a red or black primer base even with the same number of top coats applied.
The reason for the color differance from the bumper and sheet metal is due to metamerizm. The vehicle has a grey green primer base, and the bumpers are done with a black flexible primer base. The bumpers are usaully sprayed at a separate facility than the vehicle also, which can attribute to the color differance.

Hope this helps you to understand the color shade differances.
 

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Lynchburg? Ah, that brings back memories! They still cruise from the Waffle house down past the Hardees?
 

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I do not see a brown in mine but sometimes it looks kinda blue... And no I am not color blind either...


I am having my bike painted as we speak..It will be BLACK No other color mixed in..Straight Dupont Chromabase Black
 
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Lynchburg? Ah, that brings back memories! They still cruise from the Waffle house down past the Hardees?
Stiil doing it after 40 years..... We have a cruise-in every third Saturday.. About 300 to 400 vehicles at the Mall......
 

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yep if you look closely you can see the difference between the hood & the ajoining trim panel I had blacked out
Mike, you're right! It DOES look blacker! :lol
 

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It took me a while, but I finally found this topic to show that I am not the only one.

My recently purchased 2005 Smokin Asphalt does look brown in direct sunlight. But only the painted metal body parts. The tonneau cover, cargo cover and rear bumper cover are black.

It was a cloudy, overcast day when I bought my R. Imagine my disappointment the first time I saw it in direct sunlight. :crying:

Parked next to my Onyx Black 2002 Avalanche makes the R look that much more brown.
 

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When the SSR came down the production line and into paint, the hood, doors, roof panels and tailgate were mounted to the body of the truck. Once through paint, the doors, roof panels and tailgate were sent off site for sub-assembly completion. These parts magically merged back to the production line at just the right point to get attached to the same truck they got painted on.....

External vendors supplied the front and rear fascias, cargo cover, mirrors, windshield pillar covers, tonneau cover and flipper panel to the SSR production line already painted the "standard" colors. As these parts were needed on the production line, they were plucked from racks that had all of the current production colors.....

You will find color variations on almost every SSR for the panels and parts I mentioned. Some variations are really minor (UV, Aqua Blur and Pac Blue are the least noticeable) and others can really stand out. You will notice that some (not all) yellow trucks have a definite difference when it comes to the fascias versus the fenders.

Black is the worst of the bunch. If you really want to see the difference, use a digital camera to take a photo of things that you suspect are different color.

The vendors were held to very tight standards for color match to GM "standards", while the production paint shop was battling with EPA regulations. I was led to believe that the black paint had enough unique problems in the paint shop that they had to limit the number of black trucks they could paint in any one day. Don't know how true it is, but that was one of the things that sticks in my memory.

In case you are wondering why I might know some of this........ I originally had a 2005 Smokin' Asphalt SSR. I purchased it in August of 2005, just before the 2006 came out. I was OK until I had it in direct sunlight and then could not believe the color variation. A couple months of communication with GM resulted in them saying that they would buy back the black SSR. I could either get my money back, or I could pick another truck. We searched all of the local dealers and found that all (five of them) had the same color variation. It was then that we saw the Pacidic Blue for the first time......... It was a "GM assisted trade".....

A trained eye can actually pick put the color variance in certain lights on any of the SSRs. For me, the spot that stands out the most is the meeting point of the cargo cover, tonneau cover and rear fender. If you look carefully at the dealer brochure photo that has the back end of a black truck, you can see the difference between the rear fascia and the rest of the truck.

Hope this sheds a little light on the subject.

Mike
 

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Everytime I saw Dave's and Roy's trucks, I thought they were Grunge Black colored. Always figured it was cause they never washed nor waxed them.........:grin2:>:):grin2:
 

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Solvents will affect the color. Cheaper fast solvents will dirty up a color. My 03 had a dirty brown tint along with mismatched parts colors.

I did full body paint with HOK slow solvent.

Did not help much now instead of brown I get bits of red, yellow and blue in my deep black.
 

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Black, bllack, ablck,jkabalc,

My '05 was 4 colors of brown and black until I had it repainted Jet Black. Now it is really BLACK.

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Solvents will affect the color. Cheaper fast solvents will dirty up a color. My 03 had a dirty brown tint along with mismatched parts colors.

I did full body paint with HOK slow solvent.

Did not help much now instead of brown I get bits of red, yellow and blue in my deep black.
That's funny
 

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Thank you, Mike in AZ, for the information.

But I try not to shine any light on the subject - it only makes the brown look worse. :D

I expect shades of yellow or red, maybe even silver (shades of gray.)

I have seen a yellow R and noticed the plastic panels not matching the steel panels.

My wife's 87 Firebird, back in the day, was various shades of red/pink/orange.

But black? I never expected that.
 
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