Well got my first permagrin tonight. First ride with my top down. After working on it since I got it. It was cool tonight with the top down so no a/c on. And my grin went away looked down and noticed it was running a little warm for the first time. most of the time it's below the 210 mark. Had to stop at several red lights and it got up to 220 to 230. Now I not happy again.