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That would be awesome it needs help for sure would you be open for me to drop by your shop sometime ? thanks
Actually I am a mobile detailer so I do not have a dedicated shop. I wish I did but don't for now. sorry

Great thread. My youngest son has been telling me I need to clay bar and seal my SSR, like he does his Tesla model S, but he does not explain it as well as this thread. I would love to attend a tech day on this subject, because seeing is better than reading. A YouTube would be great for this subject and I am willing to allow you to use my R as example for the You Tube. THANKS AGAIN!!!! :liebe011:
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There's probably a million detailers or video's on youtube on claybaring.

If you have any questions specific to clay baring you'r not sure about I'm happy to entertain them.

It's really easy once you give it a try and get the hang of it. Just make sure you hang on to the clay on the vertical panels, it will try to slide out of your hand and you don't want to drop the clay. :banghead
 

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The Mothers products are part of their three-part system used to progressively clean surface contaminants like road film, polish out minor scratches and provide protection for the paint. Applying these products in the recommended sequence produces a smooth, deep gloss that holds up well under my use conditions. I experiment with other products/systems as well and am open to new and different ones.
 

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Josh:

The Mothers products are part of their three-part system used to progressively clean surface contaminants like road film, polish out minor scratches and provide protection for the paint. Applying these products in the recommended sequence produces a smooth, deep gloss that holds up well under my use conditions. I experiment with other products/systems as well and am open to new and different ones.
Before I can properly suggest to you a system or process to polish your SSR I really need to know the condition of the paint. Next chance you have at night in a dark garage look at it with shop lights or bright LED lights or direct sunlight. Until I know the condition I can't say what to do to fix it.

As far as that Mother's system, the clay bar will probably be the most beneficial product of the 3 and it will also remove any road films. The polish sounds more like a paint cleaner which is ok, but don't do much and don't really effect the looks. The glaze will just hide the flaws which in return will make the paint look good temporarily but kill the life of the wax you apply. IMO its' not a great system. If you really want the paint to look it's best its' all about removing defects, flaws, scratches, swirls, haziness and oxidation not just covering them up and hiding them for a few washes. That's how they make there "system" seem like a great system cause after the glaze you're all amazed at the temporary look and think the system has worked and your finish is new again....

If your finish is already perfect or close to then no need to waste anytime doing anything other then waxing and protecting that look.
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Some great info here! This is very helpful for everyone!
I have been doing the clay, seal, wax for years on my daily drivers. We have a 2007 Lexus LS with 140K on it that is our daily driver and road trip car. I clay, seal once a year and wax after about 6 mo and use a detailer in between after washes. The finish looks showroom new except for the usual nicks and scratches and water always beads up on it. I use Klauss sealer and Mothers carnuba paste wax. They work great for me so I have not tried anything else. I found the key to the sealer is to be very sparing with it, a little goes a long way and a thin coat is all that is needed. A vehicle that is parked outside most of the time a second coat after the required cure time will extend the protection a few months.

After I bought my R in May I used the same process. Paint was in good shap but had a lot of surface contamination on it. I used up two large yellow clay bars to clean it up, they were brown when done. Buffed it out with 3M #3 and green waffle pad. Cleaned up great! The clear coat on the R is super hard.
I use an old school rotary variable spd buffer not an orbital, even for the final cut, been using one for decades and just haven't converted yet even though I have burned a few corners in my day but that's what painters tape is for.
I painted my 81 corvette with a single stage black urethane, color sanded, compounded and buffed to a respectable glassy shine. I do not use a sealer on that paint because I don't believe they are effective on a single stage finish (comment?) so I only use carnuba wax twice a year after a light polish and black detailer in between. I have not yet had to clay that paint. The Vette is only out on the weekends and very rarely gets rained on so wax holds up fine.

 

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Josh,
Some great info here! This is very helpful for everyone!
I have been doing the clay, seal, wax for years on my daily drivers. We have a 2007 Lexus LS with 140K on it that is our daily driver and road trip car. I clay, seal once a year and wax after about 6 mo and use a detailer in between after washes. The finish looks showroom new except for the usual nicks and scratches and water always beads up on it. I use Klauss sealer and Mothers carnuba paste wax. They work great for me so I have not tried anything else. I found the key to the sealer is to be very sparing with it, a little goes a long way and a thin coat is all that is needed. A vehicle that is parked outside most of the time a second coat after the required cure time will extend the protection a few months.

After I bought my R in May I used the same process. Paint was in good shap but had a lot of surface contamination on it. I used up two large yellow clay bars to clean it up, they were brown when done. Buffed it out with 3M #3 and green waffle pad. Cleaned up great! The clear coat on the R is super hard.
I use an old school rotary variable spd buffer not an orbital, even for the final cut, been using one for decades and just haven't converted yet even though I have burned a few corners in my day but that's what painters tape is for.
I painted my 81 corvette with a single stage black urethane, color sanded, compounded and buffed to a respectable glassy shine. I do not use a sealer on that paint because I don't believe they are effective on a single stage finish (comment?) so I only use carnuba wax twice a year after a light polish and black detailer in between. I have not yet had to clay that paint. The Vette is only out on the weekends and very rarely gets rained on so wax holds up fine.


Sounds to me like you're doing everything right. As I was reading I was thinking how SS paints oxidize so fast but then I read you polish it once a year before you wax it so that's perfect. :thumbs

Only thing I would mention is that sealants are just as effective on SS paint if not better then waxes since they last so much longer. Use what you want though but just know that sealants ARE effective on SS paints. :wink2: They will probably even be more effective at reducing the amount of oxidation on that Vette I'd be willing to bet.

As far as converting to a ROB (random orbital buffer) there's no need to "convert" as they are just two very different machines for different purposes. I have at least one of each.

Going sparingly with most any product (including carnauba waxes) is the key IMO. Most people think the more wax/sealant product you slather on the better as if it piles up and creates a thicker barrier...... but it does not. It only makes it worse cause now it will take longer to dry and wiping it off can be very difficult as well as it tends to build up in the cracks this way. If people really want it to "pile" up or stack up protection, the way to do it effectively is by letting the first coat cure, then apply a second coat, let cure, then another. This can take several days as curing times should be around 12-24 hours depending on temperature and humidity.
 

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Great advice and tips here. Tools me hours of research on the topic and watching Junkman2000 videos to learn all of this.

One item to remember with the 2 or 3 bucket wash system is the grit guard. You will be suprised how effective it is.

Also when I have time I water dry the car with the garden hose and follow up with a waffle weave. I had been using a blower but found to many leaks along the pillar/header for my liking.
 

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Great advice and tips here. Tools me hours of research on the topic and watching Junkman2000 videos to learn all of this.

One item to remember with the 2 or 3 bucket wash system is the grit guard. You will be suprised how effective it is.

Also when I have time I water dry the car with the garden hose and follow up with a waffle weave. I had been using a blower but found to many leaks along the pillar/header for my liking.
Very true, I have grit guards in both my buckets. I totally forget to mention things like that. Like I said in my original post "theres' soooo much involved in detailing I know I would forget something." :thumbs
 

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Easy on. Easy off. Buffs to a wet shine.
If you're a Harley guy just do like my friends do and wrap the can,duct tape, HVAC tape or a paper bag.
I've tried about every quick detailer on the market and this one has been my goto product.
It's really a lifesaver using a microfiber to remove dust at a car show without leaving scratches.

And, available at your local Honda motorcycle dealer
 

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Easy on. Easy off. Buffs to a wet shine.
If you're a Harley guy just do like my friends do and wrap the can,duct tape, HVAC tape or a paper bag.
I've tried about every quick detailer on the market and this one has been my goto product.
It's really a lifesaver using a microfiber to remove dust at a car show without leaving scratches.

And, available at your local Honda motorcycle dealer
Nice to know of another good product. :thumbs

Have you ever tried Zaino's QD or Gloss It's QD?

Of all the QD's I've tried Gloss It has the best. Zaino's good too but Gloss It is better since I can actually use the Gloss It QD on paint and glass and it doesn't streak at all, I've even used it in direct sunlight and it wiped in with no issues. It leaves a real nice slickness but it's super expensive and that's my only issue with the Gloss It QD.
 

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Have you ever tried Zaino's QD or Gloss It's QD? Of all the QD's I've tried Gloss It has the best. Zaino's good too but Gloss It is better since I can actually use the Gloss It QD on paint and glass and it doesn't streak at all, I've even used it in direct sunlight and it wiped in with no issues. It leaves a real nice slickness but it's super expensive and that's my only issue with the Gloss It QD.
Good stuff, no doubt about it. But, the co$t of prohibits regular use--(I assume we're talking about McKees #37 Gloss Detailer?)
 

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Appreciate the input from Joshvette. Few questions if I may.............

* what do you use on tires?

* opinion on California Dustbuster type products? OK for very light dust?

* what do you use on glass?

* what do you use on SSR interior (seats, dash, etc)?

* do you remove all previous wax when applying a new coat? If so, how?

Would welcome specific product names if you care to offer. Thanks!
 

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I believe Bob McKee is one of the principals of Autogeek...he's been on the Autogeek-sponsored show called "Competition Ready." Looks like he's launched a line of products under his name, targeting the RV market.
 

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Appreciate the input from Joshvette. Few questions if I may.............

* what do you use on tires?

Meguiars D170 Hyper Dressing (professional line only not sold in stores) and Zaino (not Zymol) Z-16 Perfect Tire Gloss are the two I've used over the years. Both are water based and can be diluted with water for more gloss or less gloss on tires. If properly cleaned and minimal product applied will not sling when driving. If not cleaned well or there's another "shiny" product on the tires when you apply these dressings they may very well sling off, so please clean thoroughly prior. Typically I use the Meg's Hyper Dressing and cut it with water 50/50 ratio mainly cause I can buy it in a gallon size and can't with the Z-16.

* opinion on California Dustbuster type products? OK for very light dust?

Not a fan of CA dusters at all, (actually kind of hate them). Understand I come from a more extreme standard of car care, but I know most think it's ok to remove light dust and what really happens is they drive the car around a few days during nice weather then dust off the car, that's not light dust, that's dirty wind, construction powder and environmental fall out. If the car was washed and parked in the garage for a few days, not driven, then light dust removed, that's ok but to not chance it I just tell people CA Dusters are not good and they're really not IMO. Don't believe all the marketing BS you see on these products. Common sense tells you dragging dust or dirt particles across the finish will induce swirls, you may not see them at first but after 6-8 months they will show up slowly but surely. I have so many people I detail for tell me "it's in perfect shape" but when I get there and put my lights on the car its' swirl heaven, mainly cause it happens so subtly they don't realize what's taken place and you don't see then under garage lights, need very bright lights.

* what do you use on glass?

Outside glass I wipe down with my QD as I do the car with Gloss It QD (quick detailer), most other QD's streak but the one I use does not but I pay a lot for it. For the interior glass I use Stoners Invisible Glass. The key is to use less, maybe half a spray per two windows the follow up with a dry MF towel after the cleaning. Windows can be tricky so I typically use two MF towels just to make sure there's no streaks, but when you wash your MF towels, DO NOT use a softer as it can leave residues on the towels and transfer to the windows or paint when you use them.

* what do you use on SSR interior (seats, dash, etc)?

For basic cleaning I use 303 Multi-Surface Cleaner, it's water based as well and you can dilute it with water for stronger or weaker concentrated mix depending on your needs. It may require a little elbow grease for more soiled areas but you can rest easy knowing you're not using harsh chemicals that break down materials and strip the dye's in the dash and arm rests and such. You can also use it to lightly clean the leather seats.

For the leather seats I really like Zaino Z-10 Leather in a Bottle for conditioning the leather. I don't like Zaino's leather cleaner but their conditioner is pretty awesome and smells like leather too for a while, sometimes it can be a little streaky so make sure you rub it in evenly.



* do you remove all previous wax when applying a new coat? If so, how?

Really depends, as a pro detailer I prefer to stip a car all the way down the first time I detail it and then prep it correctly and lay a new foundation. However if I know the car and service it regularly when time comes to reapply the wax/sealant I do not strip it again, I just reapply and build upon the old layer so it should be even thicker then just by itself. So if it's been a while or it's the first time, yes you might want to strip it and start fresh after clay baring and polishing or what need be, but if it's just the regular 3 month wax job or whatever no I would not strip it, just keep building it up.

As far as stripping it, just give it a good Dawn wash and claybar treatment should be enough. Or if you know for sure it doesn't need to be clayed try adding some Vinegar in your wash buckets as the 5% acidic content should help to strip the wax/sealant without harming your clear coat.



Would welcome specific product names if you care to offer. Thanks!

Sorry for the long winded answers but I feel it's important to have an explanation rather then just a one or two word answer because there's so many variables involved.

Josh :yellow:
 

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You don't happen to know someone with a red SSR that lives a little bit south of Des Moines do you?
No, don't believe so. No too many around here although I met an owner of a red one here in Des Moines several year's ago but he lived in Des Moines. He did sell it so who knows maybe the same vehicle? It was an '04 with auto.
 
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