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Hahn Racecraft, as I heard from a member here, is in the process of releasing a turbo for the SSR. The other thread also mentions the turbo by STS Turbo. I have read many articles and opinions on the difference between the two and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the two concepts. Turbo seems to be a bit cheaper and give out more HP and performance

I would like to know which one the members here prefer and why?

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Hahn Racecraft, as I heard from a member here, is in the process of releasing a turbo for the SSR. The other thread also mentions the turbo by STS Turbo. I have read many articles and opinions on the difference between the two and I think I have a pretty good grasp of the two concepts. Turbo seems to be a bit cheaper and give out more HP and performance

I would like to know which one the members here prefer and why?

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I like the concept of the STS Remote Mounted Turbo. Most turbo's mount under the hood and give off intense heat. The STS system mounts behind the Cat and replaces the muffler. There is no heat buid up that way also the installation is much easier. You don't need headers as the performance is better with the restricted stock exhaust. I was quoted $3100.00 for a universal kit that would work with the SSR still waiting for quote on installation as it is more involved because the tubing has to be custom bent and cut to fit then needs to be ceramic coated inside and out for the heat thats generated. Once they get a kit for the SSR the kit price will go up the installation will go way down.
 

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I hate disagree, but the turbo DOESN"T put out more horsepower.
 

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The turbo setup with the addition of the Alcohol injection wil make more hp than the Supercharger. Boost is very easy to control.

Before anyone says oh my god you use alcohol..It has been ran on the turbo buicks for almost 15 years now as well as propane over the past 4 years. Very safe, very cheap and works great..This allows you to run more boost without detonation.

I was one of the first to run the OGS Propane setup on my Turbo Buick. No problems at all.. I would strongley recommend a good knock detector. kirbans sells one and I think caspers does also.

I have been playing with turbos for almost 16 years now to include custom fabbing some for my beetles..Aircooled beetles that is.


I was thinking of just buying the Silverado kit and modifing the Cold air side..Everything else should be the same.
 

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Turbo VS Supercharger

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The turbo setup with the addition of the Alcohol injection wil make more hp than the Supercharger. Boost is very easy to control.

And if you add this or you add that !!!!! I can say that i have seen very few people that have installed or had a aftermarket turbo kit and been able to just go and drive the vehicle trouble free. There is much more to turbos then beats the eye. Someone stated that the have found a universal turbo kit for $3100.00 but still waiting for a price to install it ??. I can tell you from what i know for a fact, You can have a Magnagarger installed for $6100.00 and gain 115+ horsepower without any kind of this or that and drive for many , many miles trouble free.


I have install Magnacharger on vehicles that are used as daily drivers and have over 50,000 miles on them without a single problem. From my experience what i have from being the owner of a auto repair for 30+ years aftermarket turbos have allways needed to be tweaked on. :thumbs
 

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The drive by wire throttle will have to be delt with, if MAF ''sees'' to much air,
the computer pull back throttle position, unlike a Silverado cable throttle.
I own seven different GM vehicles that have aftermarket turbo kits on them
and when done properly are as trouble free as any supercharger kit, I have had
several different supercharger kits and all have been reliable, but the turbos make
more power and would be my choice, have never used the remote set up,
I know they work, but in a direct comparo probably come up short...................
 

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Turbo also requires a tweaked exhaust system - headers are not compatible.

Ray
 

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Hi Rick, nice talking to you on the phone.
There are members here that think turbo gives less HP and more trouble. From our conversation, I assume that you disagree. Would you elaborate on that please? Why do you prefer turbos over SC? I am looking to do it this spring...
 

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Not sure this will help but I have an 03 Ford Mustang Cobra with the factory supercharger. Great engine and with 390hp & 390 lb ft torque very impressive. I have spent a lot of time with friends who "know" turbos from slightly modified Buick GN's to full blown GNX's that run 10's in the quarter. It does seem that the turbo systems need to be tinkered with regularly IF you want peak perfromance. Run conservative boost and you can be a little "off" with your programing etc and not have any major issues.

Turbos & Superchargers build different types of power. Turbos all have some inherent "lag" before the boost hits and serious power is generated. That can be a very big positive for racers in getting off the line and having better 60 foot times. Too much power too soon and total loss of traction. Superchargers build power instantly without lag. It's great for throttle response but hard on tires, especially in first gear on my Cobra - usless if you punch it even after rolling across the intersection. I also have driven it many 95+ degree days with the AC on and not the slightest hint or concern about detonation or coolant temps staying anything other than normal.

If I can even find, and convince my wife, that $4,500 or so is worth dumping into our 04 SSR, the information provided by others so far for the Magnesson (sp?) supercharger kit seems the easiest install and most trouble free.

Just my 2 cents as they say but I love the way the supercharger works in my Cobra.
 

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I drove an 04 Cobra before I bought the SSR, and I have to agree that the Cobra setup is SWEET. That engine was just a joy to test ride.

Loved the blower sound too.

Jim G
 

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hpdjv said:
I have spent a lot of time with friends who "know" turbos from slightly modified Buick GN's to full blown GNX's that run 10's in the quarter.
My stock "somewhat Turbo Limited went [email protected] in the 1/4. Very easy to do and you do not have to have a full blown GNX. Cal Hartlines tweaked GN went 8.50's @ 155mph and is 100% streetable...

Not getting on you about this but a Stock turbo GN with just some tunng will run in the 11's...
 

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Supercharger

I just like the looks of the Supercharger setting down low between the valve covers. Fits the SSR Hot Rod styling just right, in my eye.

Banks Turbos would more than likely make an SSR go faster than it would be safe to drive. However the turbos look like the guts of something ugly just spilled out all over your engine compartment.

A hundred hp and pounds and the sound effects from the Supercharger just make a hot rod a HOT ROD, IMHO. :thumbs
 

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I would have to say supercharger. I'll have the money in about a year for one myself. Why a supercharger? How many top fuel funny cars or dragsters have you seen with turbos? They must know something.

Here is some good reading.

http://www.superchargersonline.com/content.asp?ID=19
turbos and nitromethane is a combination that makes almost uncontrollable power,
top fuel and nitro funnys are not allowed to use turbos, turbos in top fuel would completely
change the sport, there is no parasitic loses with a turbo, a top fuel supercharger
requires over 500hp just to turn it ! A turbo requires none. I agree the supercharger
looks great but the facts are a properly designed turbo system is more effective.
I am working on a Cobalt SS that is going to have both !
 

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rick, any news on the turbo for SSR by hahns racecraft?
 

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Hahn is about three weeks out, I'm going to give him your contact info
this week...................I'm supposed to get my twin turbo GTO
back this week...............GRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 

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Thanks Rick418cars,
It seems we can learn something new almost every day here. Was not aware of the restrictions of turbos for top fuel.

It seems then that it's really not an issue of which makes the most HP. More of an issue of which one a person desires to use and the aesthetics of the engine compartment. I would imagine that either can make the same HP depending on what you would want to spend? Yes/No?

Wanna see some picks of that Cobalt when you have it running. I actually wondered why one never sees the two together (turbo & blower).
 

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Guys - guys

[I have install Magnacharger on vehicles that are used as daily drivers and have over 50,000 miles on them without a single problem. From my experience what i have from being the owner of a auto repair for 30+ years aftermarket turbos have allways needed to be tweaked on. :thumbs[/QUOTE]


Settle down now. Everyone says they are experts on this an that???

Turbo's are the choice of auto makers world wide not superchargers.

I have a two stage on my 05 redline and it works wonderful. You get way more HP for the money and they are much more reliable in many ways.

Lower gas comsumption
Lower cost to install
Higher reliablitlity

I have had three trucks and many excavators with turbos for years. All manufacturers use turbos not superchargers on their trucks and heavy equipment.


Mike
 
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